let's get more on this from patrick hayes political analyst for the online magazine spiked which sees its mission as one to promote liberalism across the world patrick thanks for being with us once again russia and china are not popular at the u.n. but they're saying that western support for the syrian opposition and their campaign against the government hampers after it's to launch dialogue between the five how do you see it. well i think that's the true i mean i think i differ to an extent from china and russia in that you know i am supportive all the syrian people rising up against it but not in the way that the west wants it what you have here is one hysterical response in the west to desperately want to interfere and meddle in a country where they really have no business it's very difficult to know what's happening on the ground in syria at the moment so the reaction from a lot of western leaders you had hillary clinton talking about the travesty of the veto you had this hysterical statement from william hague from from the u.k. the u.k. foreign steps are you saying that the coun

patrick hayes a reporter for the online magazine spiked told r.t. that some major players are rejecting peaceful solutions for syria and polarizing on already complex situation. the removal of diplomats from syria. the. desire to arm the free syrian army from the west and to basically support them to give them kind of sectioned off training areas where they can develop an open strong opposition apart from the kind of threat of a sad all suggest that you know the west isn't willing to have you know encourage any kind of dialogue or discourse at all ultimately they want you know they've now polarized the situation they've now said you know. this evil we need to get rid of him they use those kind of terms evil you know the. ogre or bogeyman and you know the syrian people are vulnerable victims who need to be protected by the west now i think we saw the same thing with good afi and it's always very striking that you know it was only two years ago that assad was seen as the group's reformer in syria the west were basically queuing up to talk to him. plea

you in the us are seeking to hit syria with further economic sanctions but patrick hayes a political analyst for the online magazine spiked says the sanctions will only harm the people not the president. well i think in many ways it's going to exacerbate if it does mean that dialogue gets off gets taken off the table it does mean that the west will try and intervene in other ways you know as we've seen the last few months affectively the arab league to kind of step in and to monitor and effectively become the lackeys of western interests to a certain extent so it's i think the more that the west kind of remove itself from syria the more pressure and we're hearing with e.u. now sanctions as well the more actually i think the syrian people will suffer as a result for any western intervention you will have you know the syrian people effectively having their democratic initiative taken from their hands and effectively you know you have western countries trying to give them democracy instead which historically has been proven not to be the case but also sanctions aren't going to really af

for perspective on this i'm joined by patrick hayes reporter for online magazine spike so russia has warned of a repeat of the libyan style scenario in syria despite diplomatic efforts of moscow and beijing not to allow it so how likely do you think foreign intervention of a certain kind is. well obviously china and russia did veto the u.n. resolution. over a week ago now but support what we seem to be seeing is enough resolution being put on the cards being proposed by qatar and other countries and it does seem like it's the typical kind of situation which the west particularly good at which is that if they don't like the fact that resolution was vetoed in the first place they'll just put forward enough on till people. are satisfied then they get their will so you know i think you. see the french and british prime minister and now talking about having a summit about how they can help the free syrian army everything seems to be pointing towards a desire from the west to intervene in the libya style way again and again it's this kind of. posturing this is kind of grandstanding from th