patrick healey is the "new york times" political correspondent who wrote that piece.atrick, he's saying he's going to bring up bill's infid elts in the debate. >> this is fair game, as far as he's concerned. he wants to put her on the spot and take apart what she offers, her authenticity as a fighter for women, as someone who was a strong secretary of state. he wants to go after that, by going after benghazi. and security lapses that he will argue led to the deaths of four americans there. also trying to serve on the e-mail server story and frankly, going back in time to clinton controversies, as far back as the late '70s in terms of cattle futures. among journalists, this stuff feels like very old news, but for terrorisdonald trump this i the base wants. this is the way he thinks he can unify the party and also give republicans what they're dying for, which is being on a debate stage with hillary clinton, in front of a massive audience in the fall, in which he is trying to pin her on issues that republicans have been going after her for, for decades. >> and katy, you

mark: as we know from a remarkable new york times story by patrick healey, trump plans to bring backhe infidelities with the world watching. hillary clinton is now talking about her husband on the trail. how is bill clinton's role shaping up as a factor? mark: she raised this economy there were tremors all over the place. other people thought it was weird. today such a specific claim and almost offer him a job. i think it hangs in the balance. bill clinton has proved he can walk through negative stories. when he was a candidate, when he was president. when he is out there, he is not very high profile. donald trump up with him front and center. hillary will have to have the response. trump will say you are not the victim, you are a co-conspirator. how will clinton handle it? people around bill clinton are worried. i would say terrified he will not handle this well. and trump will be a master of psy-ops. willie: trump made the point you just made in the new york times story, which is that you cannot just go out and throw slime at hillary clinton about bill clinton. there has to be a st