we have patrick healy and david drucker.e also want to welcome counterterrorism analyst and former counterterrorism official, phil mudd. phil, we must start with you. we have heard from all sorts of cia officials that, yeah, you'll get information if you waterboard somebody and torture them. it won't be the right information. it will be erroneous. they'll say whatever they need to to make it stop. what do you think? >> i think that's incorrect. look, whether you like toit or not, people speak under duress. if you're talking to the architect of 9/11, for example, are you telling me he's going to lie if he's under duress. even that information is valuable. if i question you, alisyn, and i know you've been to 10 countries in the last two years as a terrorist and i say, where you been, alisyn, and you list nine of them, that lie is a critical hint. why did you skip the tenth? >> so if president trump brought back waterboarding, you would be in favor of those techniques? >> i think that's the wrong question. one question you have

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"new york times" deputy culture editor and cnn political analyst patrick healy with me now.'m a mariah carey fan. >> me, too. >> i was feeling, i was cringing. i was like, what's happening here. >> it was painful. it was painful. but who doesn't do a vocal check before times square in new year's eve. >> in that early interview, she did kind of infer that it was tough getting there. now, i'm trying to piece together for her, trying to, you know, help her out and figure out what happened here. did she just get there too late in order to do that. and she was hoping everything was in place and i don't know what she searching for an ear piece? >> her camp is saying that she was really pressed for time. that she didn't have enough time to do the things, all the things she was being asked to do, to do the interview. but then they're saying when she got up there, it wasn't her fault. but "new york times" we talked to the head of audio for times square new year's eve just now and they said that the ear piece was functioning, the monitors were functioning. so, there was some nontechni

patrick healy is it a "new york times" editor, aaron lewis, and bob baer, now a cnn intelligence and security analyst, good morning to all of you. mr. trump is still unwilling to blame russia for the hacking, he says he knows things others don't. sean spicer was on "new day" this morning and was passionate about russia perhaps not being involved in hacking the u.s. elections. >> the idea that you're asking anybody what their reaction should be to a nonconfirmable report is unbelievable. >> hold on, sean. >> no, not hold on. the idea that we are asking people and making assumptions on a report that's not final is unbelievable. >> so in other words, lindsey graham and senator john mccain are also unbelievable and irresponsible? >> they're not the ones who instituted the sanctions. it's -- >> they're planning hearings about it. they believe that -- >> stop. hold on. listen to what you just said. they're planning hearings. they are actually trying to get it right. >> okay. so errol, you heard sean spicer, and you heard mr. trump say he knows things others don't. so what are the american

patrick healy from "the new york times" said he was getting red in the face, angrier by the second.eted that meryl streep was overrated. for the record, jeffrey, she has won three oscars, eight golden globes, and three prime time emmys. let's put that out there. why does he do this? >> erin, erin, i honestly think the shoe is on the other foot here. she lashed out at him. she's the one -- >> why is he responding? >> she attacks him. >> look, we're in a new era here. and one of the things, as i think i've said before, the bush 43 administration, at least karl rove regretted, not responding to the bush lied routine, he certainly made a mistake on wmd but it wasn't a lie. if you don't respond, these things settle in. like this business of mocking the reporter, he also mocked ted cruz, he mocked a general this way, that's on videotape, yet this morning i read twice in "the washington post" that the video doesn't exist, it didn't happen. that's not true. >> jeffrey, can you find the video of the muslims in new jersey who were cheering on the day when 9/11 happened, that donald trump said

one is in the career of the man on the left, reverend patrick healy of the society of jesus known as georgetown's second founder. healy served as a president of georgetown from 1872 to -- 1874 to 1882 and helped to build several new buildings on campus. healy was born into slavery. he was the son of an irish cotton planter in georgia and a slave woman. his father recognized his paternity of him and his siblings. healy was sent to a catholic school in the north and ultimately entered the jesuit order where he rose to prominence to the position of president of georgetown. but essentially he passed for white as the jesuits had to conceal his ancestry from the public. he recently -- his ancestry wasn't really discovered and made public until scholars figured it out in the beginning of the 1950s, upon which time he was claimed of the first african-american president of a predominantly white university. he's celebrated in this way at georgetown, even though very few people at the time knew he was not white. so we can also see this burial of the history of slavery in georgetown's school col