. >>> for more on this i'm joined by patrick hedger with freedom works which describes itself as a grassrootservice center dedicated for activists fighting for lower taxes, less government and more freedom and by tom dougherty a republican strategist to george pataki. i want to start with you, tom. we had a 16-day government shutdown and a few days on the edge of default before congress backed away from the edge of the cliff. the headlines read losing a lot to get little and baynier gop in disarray. the conventional wisdom is the republican party especially the tea party was the big loser in the whole debacle. "usa today" rejected that and had the tea party and senator ted cruz among the winners. how do you see all this? >> i don't know where "usa today" gets their information, but clearly the losers are the conservative presidential candidates going forward. ted cruz and rand paul and quite possibly marco rubio. i don't think the book was written on him yet. a lot was expected of him going into the year. they could never win this country. that's the problem right now. you know, groups like f

joining us patrick hedger from freedomworks and aaron smith from young invincibles. like social security, some people believe it's a ponzi scheme of sorts. explain that very quickly. >> well, if you look at the mechanics of this law, it's clear that the law is designed to force young people to buy expensive coverage that they don't need in order to subsidize coverage for older and richer americans. there's a mechanism within this law that says that older patients can't be charged more than three times that of younger patients. and that's clearly not a mechanism to keep prices low for younger people. so it's essentially just another wealth transfer entitlement that we can't afford. >> isn't it true, though, that the prices that young people pay will be dictated by the number of young people signing up? in other words, if there's only ten people who sign up, they'll probably pay a lot more. if a million sign up, they'll probably pay a little less. >> i think they pay a lot less overall if they opted out of the programs. the subsidies proved not to be expensive. we're se

. >>> joining us now to discuss the strategy behind the politics are patrick hedger and matt lewis senior contribute for the daily caller and from cambridge, massachusetts vanessa williamson the author of the book the tea party and the remaking of government conner is hav conser. long on this panel all republicans an certainly you two are rumtion you would be the ones that most closely align yourself with the tea party. >> certainly. >> what is the gain? what do you think you can get? what do you think they can get? >> we are trying to make sure that in this law that is not leddy to to be parliamented. that the government has missed several deadlines he is required to enforce by law. he has realized that a lot of person people have realized this law is not ready to be implemented. we have seen businesses laying off workers and cutting off their benefits. it was nice to see the president speaking from the white house but it would be better to see him at the table with ruption. find away to fix the law and delay it until we can get provisions correct so it doesn't harm the economy. >> does