i'm patrick mantsa.'m very disappointed when my request was turned down and you received only a hard copy. i just have passed out to the president and vice-president what you should consider in the meeting. i would like to thank president cohen for ruling on my testimony to be placed adjacent to the discussion in the published minutes. now we have to fix two other problems. both related to the good order. the first is creating an e-mail in the person's listed. as you will see in the copies, i asked mr. hush to distribute. at least five other cities routinely send interested person's e-mails to me including the ethics commission. >> 30 seconds. >> and others. the second issue involves placing background files provided to commissioners in their briefing packets online as the 7th city departments listed in this handout routinely due including the ethics commission, health commission, puc commission and recreation and parks. if they can do it, so can ers. that will comply with the sunshine ordinance that say