then i want to the hear patrick murphy's opinion. >> depends on your point of view. if you're his defense attorney, you're going to do everything possible to keep him off the stand. the prosecution has now put in his statements today, his handwritten statement, his audio statement, his videotape statement, his videotaped re-and accountme -- re-enactment. why would you put him on the stand and subject him to a rigorous cross-examination? i don't see any reason why they would. by the way, chris serino is the first police officer we're seeing in this case who actually asked him some tough questions. asked him rapid fire, staccato-style questions making him answer, answer, answer. i think that's something the jury probably appreciates. some of the previous police officers were comforting him, seemed to be going along with his story. >> lisa makes excellent points. patrick murphy, you disagree. >> i've tried panels before. these six folks are human beings. yes, the judge is going to say zimmerman has a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination, he doesn't have to t

we have patrick murphy, paul henderson, and seema ire.h you and broaden this out. people sometimes forget when they're looking at a criminal trial like this that probably isn't good enough. if a jury walks away thinking this guy probably committed second-degree murder or probably killed this person with no good reason and at least is eligible for manslaughter, that won't be good enough because even if they have any reasonable doubt, probably did it, but i reasonably doubt it for this or that reason, then their instructions at the end of this process will be to acquit. talk us through that high standard and why so many legal analysts have said that the prosecution, even at the conclusion of its case, had left quite a bit of reasonable doubt on the table. >> well, you haven't heard them connect the dots yet. they've laid the foundation. obviously, the big elephant in the room is how they're going to address the mens rea, which is the nefarious intent associated with zimmerman's state of mind at the time of this incident. and obviously the o

>> let's bring in amy holmes anchor with real news and also joined by msnbc contributor patrick murphygood thursday to you both and we'll start off with you amy because we're listening to john boehner there the speaker and he's saying where are the ideas. on the flip side where are the ideas coming from the republicans? >> well republicans as you know are for say tax reform simplifying the tax code and while they are against obama care there's a good reason for that. as we're already seeing the news rolling out about obama care, obama care is costing jobs. costing people being able to work full time. employers are cutting back their hours on employees if they don't comply with obama care. with president obama is not so much about economics but about politics and this is going into 2014, going into budget debate, going into raising the debt ceiling limit and he wants to paint republicans as the bad guys and he's the good guy for the middle class and yet he doesn't have new ideas. what we're seeing is old wine in a new bottle. frankly the same speech. >> i have a feeling patrick has a re

political director sarah white house political director sarah and former pennsylvania congressman patrick murphyans contributor on. very similar similar to being in chronic. sarah, i want to start out with you on this filibuster idea. congress is lot more ruthless when it comes to getting things through congress. it's out there. but if the democrats were to do this from your knowledge of republican politics, there would be -- we will get you back on this, right? this would be imprinted in the forefront of a lot of republican mind saying you guys stepped way too far and we are going to hammer you similar to this. is that worth a risk for harry reid and the democrats? >> it's a very fair question. i think the answer is if this haps more today it is likely in the future it will occur. step back to 2005. bush had nine judicial poim appointments. they got votes on three of them. what we see out of the senate democrats is they want the whole shebang. they want every one of these nominees confirmed. the question is is it going to happen? i think the question is are democrats willing to let some of thes

joining me patrick murphy, an iraq war vet and an msnbc contributor. happy 4th to you.u in to join me. >> i have flip-flops on with this jacket and tie. >> we want a picture of that later. >> all right. >> this is a huge foreign policy issue for president obama and the administration and certainly something leaders on the hill will pay attention to as we talk about funding and what we send overseas to egypt. he was in office for just over a year after the democratic election. what does it say if people demonstrate buysererbuyers' rems quickly. how do we expect the democracy to get out of its infancy if it is now proven to work? >> i have concern. as you mention and you're right the fact is even though president morsi was part of the muslim brotherhood, as you know the brotherhood has a strong dislike for israel. but the fact is this. to depose him with the military coup is disturbing to democracy. you do look at thomas. there were only 33% of the egyptian people did vote in that last election. i think they said, listen, we've got to getter forward. over 2 million protes

as well as our good friend prosecutor patrick murphy. thanks for being here, guys. seema, let me start with you. based on what we saw in this trial, was this fairly representative of what people should expect to see in criminal trials around the country? >> for the defense, it was fairly representative. there was zealous advocacy. there was tireless effort. for the prosecution, i've said it once, i've said it again, they fell way below the standard of what prosecutors normally perform like. they were not prepared enough. their presentation of evidence was faulty. they did not align with their victim. they didn't align with the community. they didn't fight hard enough. >> seema, when b-37 said that the jurors went back and said three of us voted for not guilty, two of us for manslaughter, one for murder two. now we know initially they listened to the evidence and were split. what does that make you think about the presentation of the evidence? for three of the jurors, the prosecution didn't make a compelling case. >> first of all, let's not take everything she says a

joining us are the captains of our legal team, attorney seema ayer, and former prosecutor patrick murphyks for being here. seema, i want to start with the whitey bulger case and that question. do you expect him to testify? overall, what's the defense's strategy? >> krystal, dear, i hope not. hasn't he said enough? any time we've seen that man in court, he's basically getting bleeped for cursing. so can you just imagine what he's going to say? >> it would be great tv. >> of course, of course. that's why we're here. however, at this point president defense has done enough to set up some sort of reasonable doubt in this case. if he testifies like within every other case, state or federal, in this country, when a defendant testifies, the case becomes all about the defendant. in this case, whitey bulger has said so much damaging that's not on the record it could only get worse. my advice is he won't. let's see what murphy says. >> i want to talk about edward snowden, the man we say has been eating cinnabon after cinnabon in the airport. can you walk us through the process of granting him asyl

let's bring in our trial team, lisa bloom, paul henderson and former prosecutor patrick murphy. lisa, let's start with you. i have a short question and a longer one. short question based on what we just heard is why did the judge rule there that the question could not be asked about what the next injury might have been to mr. zimmerman? >> because it's too speculative. i mean, what something might have been, could have, should have, would have, we don't generally get into that in a court of law. this is an expert. sometimes experts can do that. i think it's too speculative. >> so that sort of violates some of the boundaries that have been set. obviously, we know that lawyers know that. tell us what you think was the strategy in trying to ask that question. what's the next injury to mr. zimmerman? >> because the defense is trying to show that these injuries were not necessarily life threatening, and mark o'mara said that on cross-examination, essentially saying we never said that, we never said life threatening. the defense wants the jury to put it all together, that he was on th

paul henderson is here, patrick murphy is here, jonathan capehart is going to help me out here. >> i'm going to pull a robbery from my friend lisa bloom and that is this, lisa said before she felt there was no theory of the case. and that's how i feel. there's no road map. there's no rhythm here. he's going on all the facts, he's telling a story but, again, you don't have that cinching everything together. that pattern, that rhythm. something to remember. >> patrick, throughout this whole thing, people have been saying the prosecution is not doing a good job. do you agree with that? >> well, i think overall, it's an okay close. but you're right in there has to be recency. the theme of his case is a correct one. that's why i said it's an okay or good one because he's saying there's a teenage boy that was profiled and killed based on false assumptions. which goes to the underlying theme and theory of the case. now to get to the point, let's get to the nitty-gritty. let's make sure to put there and let the jurors know and be confident as a prosecutor saying, listen, why is it that this 15

with me today for it all, jonathan capehart, steve kornacki, lisa bloom, and patrick murphy, seema ayer, and paul henderson. of course, we have kerry sanders live in florida. let's start down there. kerry, riveting stuff in the defense's final arguments and the prosecution's rebuttal. you were inside the court for it all. how did it play out in the courtroom, kerry? >> reporter: well, it was fascinating to watch it unfold. you know, it's a different view than when you see it on those cameras. perhaps the most interesting thing was to look at the jurors. i could concentrate on them. i found them to be somewhat stone faced. it's not as if you can read where they are. they're looking both at the defense attorney mark o'mara and looking at john guy, who did the rebuttal for the state with the same intensity. taking few notes. in fact, during john guy's rebuttal, i only saw one juror jot down twice for less than 25 seconds twice. so it appeared they had heard what they needed to hear. as you know, what those closing arguments are all about is sort of the summation of all of the evidence. the

has been with you through this whole thing, msnbc lisa bloom, former congressman and prosecutor patrick murphy, seema ayer, and prosecutor paul henderson. they've been rolling with us throughout this whole thing. lisa bloom, your reaction to this verdict. >> well, i think when both sides of the case are arguing reasonable doubt, there's only one possible outcome. that's something i said many times before the verdict. i was really surprised at all the prosecution missteps in this case. having said that and seeing the reaction around the country, and i saw with my own two eyes the demonstration here in new york city yesterday, i think it's important that we all talk to one another. i just got off the phone with a friend who has a conservative christian radio show in birmingh birmingham, alabama. he and i could not be more different in terms of politics or religion, but we had a respectful conversation about our differences of opinion about this case. i think it's so important that we all do that today, that we have those civil conversations that we hear each other out. that's the way i think tha

patrick murphy is back. seema ire is back. paul henderson is back. paul, i know you want to jump in. what do you got? >> i think why they put him on, because the defense team wanted to marginalize the identifications from it the family identifying that was trayvon's voice. they're just planting the seeds of doubt in front of the jury that maybe the tape should have been played differently. maybe the family communicated with each other to bolster the recognition that they had of the voice that they've testified to. so that's why they had him on there. so we'll see how the prosecution takes that, but that's the argument i expect from this witness from the defense. >> all right. this conference breaking up. not sure how much more time we have. quickly, seema, i want to talk to you for a second about judge nelson allowing the toxicology report in and then the defense said, no, we don't want to bring it in, partly because, perhaps, marijuana is known to be a calming depressant. although, some jurors might say, well, if you smoke marijuana, you got to be a

and so murphy came out and posted these pictures that he took the night that dzhokhar was captured. and everybody -- and everybody appreciated it. and then the next day, governor duval patrickg into the statehouse he was asked what's going to happen. and he said, well, he didn't follow the rules. well, that's a fairly odd thing to say for duval patrick, considering that the -- the scandals we've had in massachusetts just over the past few months. the lieutenant governor had to resign in disgrace after he wrecked the state car at 108 miles an hour. his top fund-raiser was just sentenced to prison last week. we have 1800 dead people. we're getting ebt cards. 50,000 people unreturned ebt -- and now they're concentrating on murphy. >> sure, exactly. so there's this facebook page that has been started to save his job. there are about 40,000 likes right now. he did -- technically, he did break the rules. you know, so give him a warning, give him a reprimand, suspend him for a day, bring him back, right? >> yeah. that's what people want. nobody is saying that he didn't break the rules. but the thing was he represented the anger that the constituents, the citizens of massachusetts