>> patrick o'carroll: i guess, the best way to say it is as accurate as it can be. >> pelley: patrickrroll is the social security administration's inspector general. his office investigates how the death master file is used and abused. >> o'carroll: right now, the death master file has in it about 86 million records in it and it gets about two million records every year from the states. and we're probably, as with everything else, as strong as the weakest link, in terms that some states are reporting electronically have very good data. and then with other states, it's done on a more haphazard level. so again, there's going to be some falling through the cracks there. >> pelley: but o'carroll told us that live people "falling through the cracks" isn't what keeps him up at night. the much more costly problem is in the millions of americans who do die and are not recorded. your office found that social security had no death data for six and a half million people over the age of 111. do you really believe that there are six and a half million people over the age of 111 in this country? >>

our next witness is patrick o'carroll jr. the inspector general for the social security since 2004 and also has 26 years of service for the united states secret service. >> good afternoon chairman johnson and ranking member carper and members. thank you for the opportunity. my office investigatives social security misused. but one stands out. a man opened two accounts for people born in 1886 and 1893. we can safely assume these people who today would be 129 and 122 years of age are deceased. however, according to ssa data base of social security number holders these people are alive. they are living in the sense that ssa does not have dates of death for either person or number holder records. our auditors followed up and found these two records were anything but unique. we recently recorded that 6.5 million people whose social security records indicate they are over 112 years old do not have a data death on the social number record. without a date of death on the ssa data base these people do not appear on the agency death ma

brune, our next witness is patrick o'carroll jr. inspector since 2004. and mr. o'carol also served as 26 years of service for the united states secret service. mr. carroll? >> good afternoon, chairman johnson. ranking member carper and members of the committee. thank you for the invitation to participate in this discussion. my office investigates hundreds of cases of social security number misuse every year. but recently, one incident stood out from the rest. a man who opened two bank accounts with social security numbers belonged to people born in 1886 and 1893. we can safely assume people today would be 129 and 122 years of age are deceased. however, according to ssa's database of social security number holders these people are alive. living in the sense that ssa does not have dates of death for either person or number holder records. our auditors followed up and found these two records were anything but unique. we recently reported that 6.5 million people whose social security records indicate they're over 112 years old do not have a date of death on the soci

our next witness is patrick o'carol, jr., inspector general for the social security administration since 2004. mr. o'carroll has 26 yours of service for the united states secret service. mr. peril. >> good afternoon, chairman johnson, ranking member carper and members of the committee. thank you for the opportunity to par tis mitt inning this discussion. my office investigates hundreds of social security misuse every year but recently one incident out from the rest. a man opened two bank accounts with social security numbers that belongs to people northern 1886 and 199 -- 1893. we can safely assume these people who today would be 129 and 122 years of age, are deceased. however, according to ssas databases of social security number holders these people are alive ssa does not have dates of person for eperson or holder records. our audit fors found out these two record were anything but unique. re reported 6.5 million people whose social security records indicate they are over 112 years old do not have a date of death on the social security number record. without a date of death on the database these people do