the media establishment as well, and it's a very big task, no, no indeed, well patrick, i mean perspective on the the stewart selderwittz, i mean was quite astonishing, wasn't it? yeah, it is, but you know, it just shows that how indicative this is, this the institutionalization of these attitudes, but the thing to me that was most pertinent in this to see that he uh, had staff for mat allbright of all people, the former us secretary of state, showed no remorse in her side of iraqi children uh during the 1990s and beyond she said that was a price worth paying for some reason to uh rid the world of the regime in baghdad, so she had no remorse, but that just shows you general atitude that's pervasive, we don't see this, but among the people in washington and for instance people who support israel and zinists within the us government structure, these are their pervasive attitudes, they're absolutely cousic, these are people that uh are very low empathy individuals um who have no problem at all espousing their views in private, it's only this time the caught on camera because he thought he was talking to nob uh