and patrick vallance, you talked about tier 3 perhaps not being enough to get the r below 1.e able to help, it might be appropriate to bring susan hopkins into talk about some of the testing possibilities, because i also mentioned those in my opening remarks. but patrick. ithink... yougov. i think the first thing we have to take is personal responsibility, reducing our number of personal contact in all areas, even in tier1 and tier 2, keeping contact even in tier1 and tier 2, keeping co nta ct low even in tier1 and tier 2, keeping contact low and reducing contact and indoor spaces, particularly those that are less ventilated, it's something we can all do. and then of course there is testing. we are already ramping up and increasing the testing, we are at 300,000 tests a day to day, and we are looking to get to 500,000 a day by the end of the month, looking at technologies that can find asymptomatic infection, particularly in areas that are most at risk of transferring to vulnerable individuals, like care homes and hospitals, but we need to do this in universities and schools

the government chief scientific adviser, sir patrick vallance, said the next six weeks currently look grim, with hospital daily admissions expected to surpass the peak reached in the first wave. inevitably, hospitalisations lead unfortunately to deaths in some people.

the government chief scientific adviser, sir patrick vallance, said that there is currently a very grim of what the next six weeks look like. this shows the hospital daily admissions. you can see the first peak on the left—hand side, and then over to the right hand side you come up—to—date today and then the projections forward over the next six weeks. this is a consensus view gci’oss six weeks. this is a consensus view across a number of modelling groups. what you can see here is a projection that over the next six weeks into early december, the numbers exceed the numbers of hospitalisations in the first wave peak. as chris has already said, in some hospitals you see that already, but to suggest across the country, we would see this. some hospitals earlier than others. some a bit later, but this is the projection in terms of hospital admissions over the next six weeks. with the uncertainties in the shaded blue area. next slide please. inevitably, hospitalisations lead unfortunately to deaths in some people. again you can see the first wave on the left—hand side and the dotted line indi

the government chief scientific adviser, sir patrick vallance, said that there is currently a very grimsix weeks look like. this shows the hospital daily admissions. you can see the first peak on the left—hand side, and then over

sir patrick vallance there., has been giving his reaction to today's announcement. i think everybody is concerned about the rise in infections, the hospital admissions and, tragically, the number of deaths. that's why, three weeks ago, i called for a circuit break. the government completely rejected that, only now to announce the selfsame thing. and that delay now will cost. the lockdown will be longer, it will be harder, and there is a human cost which will be very, very real. now, there's no denying these measures are necessary, and i'm glad that the government has finally taken the decision that it should have taken weeks ago. it sounds like you will... this will go to parliament, will you back the government? will labour vote with the government? well, these measures are necessary and we've been calling for them. we'll listen carefully to what the prime minister has to say, but these are the measures we called for three weeks ago. the scientific advisers said these were necessary back in september, so the go

patrick vallance and chris whitty pointed to progress with drugs and as chris whitty said, infectioustise globally normally gets on top of them and finds remedies and vaccines for infectious diseases, so that was the brighter note, but i don't think expect anything until the spring was the message as well. we are getting lots of reaction to what we heard earlier. so this from keir starmer, leader of the labour party. so that was keir starmer commenting twitter. let's take a look now that the picture in the devolved nations. we will start off in wales. in wales — the 17—day "firebrea k" lockdown — with people only able to leave their homes for limited reasons continues. it is currently set to finish on november the 9th. northern ireland first minister arlene foster has said that the current tightened restrictions there will end — as planned — on the 13th of november. pubs and restaurants have been closed, and schools, which will re—open on monday, were closed for two weeks. scotland's first minister nicola sturgeon has urged against nonessential travel across the border with england. a

the presentation by boris johnson, chris whitty and sir patrick valla nce chris whitty and sir patrick vallance in the coronavirus pandemic. chris whitty, the chief medical officer pandemic. chris whitty, the chief medical 0fficerfor england, talked through some graphs which contained quite a lot of information, some of it at the bottom of the screen. here is the reaction of another viewer, very stalwartly. i've been disappointed again to see the strapline used at bottom of the strapline used at bottom of the screen often obscures important information. there we re important information. there were several occasions where there was graphs shown. i could see red lines representing what i understood to be age groups but the information at the bottom of the screen to tell me what those colours represented was not available to me. so i would ask that perhaps you consider the use of the strapline is, whether it's necessary and such important nurses “— necessary and such important nurses —— information —— when such important information needs to come across to the public. finally back to the presiden

last week, bbc news show to live the presentation by borisjohnson, chris whitty and sir patrick vallance the latest developments in the coronavirus pandemic. chris whitty, the chief medical officer for england talk through some graphs which contained quite a lot of information, some of that at the bottom of the screen. here's the reaction of another viewer, terry stallworthy. i've been disappointed yet again to see that the strap line used at the bottom of the screen often obscures important information. there were several occasions where there was graphs shown, i could see red lines representing what i understood to be age groups, but information at the bottom of the screen to tell me what those colours represented was not available to me. so i would ask that perhaps you consider the use of the strap lines whether it's necessary in such important information needs to come across to the public. consider that plea passed on to the powers that be, terry. finally, back to the us presidential election with apologies to those who, as we heard earlier, have had enough from the united states al

sir patrick vallance, the system. the point it was quite difficult for test and trace to be effective at this level of infections and they had to come down with restrictions for the system to work better. in the meantime there are about 1000 people being admitted to hospital in england. there was some indication today there could be perhaps a levelling off? yes, sir patrick talks about a flattening out of some of the figures with you red new infections. he said in younger age groups infections were falling. we can look at the chart shown in the briefing fourth hospital admissions and you can see the yellow line is a month ago, and how much daily admissions, patients with covid—19 in uk hospitals have gone up covid—19 in uk hospitals have gone up since then, though possibly a bit ofa up since then, though possibly a bit of a levelling out at the most recent end of that, but there was certainly no suggestion from officials that there had definitely been a turn of the corner and there are warnings that cases would contin

the chief scientific adviser, sir patrick vallance, gave a lot of information about exactly what thertant to point out his focus in that press conference, dismissing calls about allowing the virus to run its course, saying we would not be able to protect the elderly or vulnerable and it could lead to thousands more deaths and also dismissing those who called for also dismissing those who called for a national lockdown, saying it could have serious psychological and financial damage to people, and there are variations across the country. some areas in the country will benefit from it but there are areas that wouldn't. basically he has called his tiered system a balanced approach, particularly as there are variations, but while coronavirus cases and hospital admissions and deaths are rising, the pm claims that what has been put in place is working. as you mention, the chief scientific adviser to the government, patrick vallance, has shown is a series of slides and we can go through a few of them. the first one is an estimate of the percentage of people testing positive for covid—19 in

that something that the government really doesn't wannm was interesting today that sir patrick vallance when he was standing next to borisjohnson this afternoon press conference admitted that the tier 3 restrictions as they stand, and that's the highest level are not good enough. and they will probably have to go further. we've already seen labour make this point la st already seen labour make this point last week. in the areas had local lockdowns in more than two months and 19 of those 20 areas. the number of cases has gone up. so what do you do? at the same time and i have some sympathy with people who have to make this decision without completely derailing the economy. it's really not it looks like were edging towards us. you can say that half the country already is on some form of lockdown. and the sticking point here is a political one. and it shouldn't be but it is. keir starmer came out earlier this week and called for this to to three week circuit break as they call it. a kind of temporary national lockdown. which is based on the advice of the governments scientific advisors. bo

patrick vallance, who was talking about herd immunity, it was actually mrcummings who was about herdt was actually mr cummings who was most in favour ina quick mr cummings who was most in favour in a quick and heavy lockdown in those early days. there was a very live debate in government about what was the correct way to go on this. i think nobody is really suggesting that would be the way to move forward , that would be the way to move forward, because look at the united states. well past 200,000 deaths from that, and the virus is running rampant across the country and the fa ct rampant across the country and the fact is the white house is now one of the most dangerous places on earth to go for coronavirus because of the president's blatant disregard for social distancing. anything to stop coronavirus from happening, i think the issue throughout this debate is we're learning so much about covid—19 all the time, and that model at the beginning of the lockdown set if we don't lockdown and suppress the virus as miatta was talking about, we will have half a million people dead. of cours

hope, involving the prime minister, professor chris whitty and the chief medical officer, sir patrick vallancechief scientific adviser, is the "next slide, please" moment. we will get lots of data. they will show the regional picture around england is variable but they will also show how it is increasing substantially everywhere and, i suspect, the point will be made that u nless suspect, the point will be made that unless action is taken pretty imminently, there would have been a huge threat in terms of the nhs capacity being overcome. the prime minster, we know, did not want to have to reach this moment. he was a keen advocate and a passionate advocate of the regional tiered approach and with that took quite a lot of political heat. remember the conversations, arguments, angry we are committed. i will stop you. here they are. good evening and apologies for disturbing your saturday evening with more news of covid. i can assure you i would not do this u nless assure you i would not do this unless it was absolutely necessary at first i'm going to hand over to chris and then patrick, who will pr

also sir patrick vallance but that is coming up patrick vallance but that is coming up later and we willhe eve of tougher restrictions coming into force in greater manchester, businesses are assessing what the impact will be on them. places including betting shops, casinos and bingo halls will have to close, as will children's soft play areas. but leisure centres and gyms can stay open. 0ur health correspondent dominic hughes reports on two businesses in stockport that face very different futures. benchmark gym in stockport, the last few weeks have been filled with uncertainty. will gyms be able to stay open when greater manchester moves to the highest covid risk level, tier three? so the fact they'll be able to keep operating through the new restrictions is critical for co—owner, mark. has it been a relief? it's been an absolute, massive relief, purely because we want to be able to offer, like, a service and fitness service for our members and also for our community. everyone is going through a lot of stress and they are obviously working from home a lot more as well now, so for people

the government chief scientific adviser, sir patrick vallance, said the next six weeks currently lookdaily admissions expected to surpass the peak reached in the first wave. inevitably, hospitalisations lead unfortunately to deaths in some people. again, you can see the first wave on the left—hand side and the dotted line indicates the top of the first wave and on the right hand side you can see the projection from today going forward in the blue and again, the light blue indicates the uncertainty range but what you can see is the model suggests increasing deaths over the next six weeks so that by the beginning of december, eighth december, this is very close to the first wave peak if nothing is done. clearly if you stop the r from increasing, if you allow it to come down then you would flatten this off and potentially reverse it, but on the current trajectory that is what is thought to be the prediction for deaths over the next six weeks, and of course that would continue to go up of course that would continue to go up because the hospitalisations already exceeded the first wave peak

serious he's resumed regular downing street briefings, flanked by professor chris whitty and sir patrick vallance household names during lockdown. back in march, mps rushed through emergency legislation to give ministers across the uk sweeping powers to deal with the crisis. six months on, the commons voted to renew the coronavirus act, but not before the speaker had his say about the government using its new powers to make laws without parliamentary scrutiny. sir lindsay hoyle said that all too often ministers published the details of laws only hours before imposing them. the way in which the government has exercised its powers to make secondary legislation during this crisis has been totally unsatisfactory. i am now asking the government to rebuild the trust with this house and a not treat it with the contempt that it has shown. sir lindsay hoyle channelling his inner bercow there. but he did help the government by ruling out a vote due to parliamentary rules to give mps more of a say before before new laws are imposed. it was a vote the government could have lost but with dozens of conservativ

sir patrick vallance said it was likely restrictions were going to be needed and to be in place for ang: the chancellor unveils changes to the coronavirus job support scheme after complaints from businesses under covid restrictions. coming up, the search for a famous dolphin of ireland's west coast. coming up on sportsday on bbc news: a call to step up and take action on racist abuse online — raheem stirling adds his voice, as a new survey shows almost half the premier league have been targeted. during the peak of the pandemic in the spring, it became clear that black and asian people were disproportionately affected by the coronavirus. now, a unit set up by the government to look into the issue has found thart race alone does not explain the disparity. other factors such as jobs and housing have to be ta ken into account. our community affairs correspondent adina campbell has more. the adina campbell has more. coronavirus pandemic hi life the coronavirus pandemic has had a life changing personal and professional impact on this man who has been taken off the front line is a critical c

was should be flanked by sir patrick valla nce was should be flanked by sir patrick vallance and chrisand when it is appropriate. i wouldn't necessarily expect to see ministers there with her every day. it is such fascinating thisjob there with her every day. it is such fascinating this job because allegra will take over the what would've been our afternoon briefing, we salve to briefings a day for all journalist who are based in westminster, and you can turn up and ask anything you like and you would be able to put pressure on the government to give you some kind of answer. this replaces one of our briefings. some of those briefings can be incredibly tedious, so so some of them can be quite excruciating and some of them can be a bit ofa excruciating and some of them can be a bit of a verbal punchjob, it is interesting to see how that will play out on tv. i think the way they might get around that is to make them very controlled and a bit like them very controlled and a bit like the press conference we had during the press conference we had during the coronavirus pandemic at the height

chris whitty, the chief medical officer, the government's chief medical adviser, and from sir patrick vallanceasions during this pandemic reappearing publicly together in this news conference. occasions during this pandemic appearing publicly together in this news conference. we are expecting an england wide lockdown to be announced starting on thursday, running until the 2nd of december with nonessential shops being closed, not including supermarkets. supermarkets will remain open. the hospitality sector closing down with the exception of takeaways, so pubs, cafes a nd restau ra nts the exception of takeaways, so pubs, cafes and restaurants closing. people being able to meet one person outside from beyond their household, so an important detail there, particularly for those who live alone and, crucially, the distinction you reported there, that is different to what happened in the uk in the spring, schools, colleges and universities will stay open. what we have seen today and one of the explanations behind this delay in the news conferences the government being caught something on the hop by

was not the prime minister at elect own, that when we do finally hear from him alongside sir patrick vallancee confirming what they already reporting as opposed to breaking the news first. is this action that the government willjust news first. is this action that the government will just take, news first. is this action that the government willjust take, or news first. is this action that the government will just take, or does it have to go to parliament? government will just take, or does it have to go to parliament7m looks like it probably will go through parliament, so it will not start until thursday. it is scheduled to last until the 2nd of december, sojust scheduled to last until the 2nd of december, so just under one calendar month. it would appear, but is yet to be confirmed, to leave a window where it can be discussed in parliament. i would where it can be discussed in parliament. iwould not where it can be discussed in parliament. i would not have thought, in broad terms, it is likely to meet a massive amount of resista nce likely to meet a massive amount of resistance given the da

patrick vallance talking about deaths each day reaching the same level as the peak back in april. a series of predictions we've been hearing about about what would happen to hospitals. basically, hospitals in england on these projections, in the event of no action, would run out of beds and extra capacity brought on for covid patients even after postponing operations. so those are the warnings if no official intervention was actually announced. of course, they want to bring down virus case numbers through this lockdown but that might take a couple of weeks. hospital admissions and deaths were lagged behind that because of the two week delay also from the moment someone becomes two week delay also from the moment someone becomes ill if they are going to get seriously ill, before they actually get into hospital. so seeing the results of this might ta ke seeing the results of this might take a little time. nhs hospitals will be extremely busy, particularly because winter is as well. thank you very much. hugh pym there. the treasury's furlough scheme, which has subsidised the wages of

actually hearing from the prime minister from the chief scientific adviser to the government, patrick vallanceuk government's chief medical adviser, thatis government's chief medical adviser, that is what we are waiting for. we are going to have to wait a little longer than we originally anticipated. but we do know some of the detail. from several sources, we know know that when we do eventually hear from the prime minister, he will announce that, in england, from thursday, we understand, there will be a month long national lockdown and, in broad terms, it will be very similar to what happened in the spring save for one big, important caveat, and that is that educational institutions will remain open. but what it will mean is that nonessential retail, in the jargon, in other words lots of shops other than supermarkets, will be closed. the hospitality sector will effectively be shut down, pubs, cafes a nd restau ra nts, will effectively be shut down, pubs, cafes and restaurants, save for those offering takeaway, and we will be encouraged again to stay at home. those who can't work from home wil

the government's chief medical and scientific advisers, chris whitty and patrick vallance, have bothe enough to bring the r number down. today, chris whitty tweeted that deaths and pressure on the nhs are increasing and sage, the advisory committee, wanted a two—week circuit breaker back in september to try to buy time to fix the test and trace system. labour wanted that in place over half term. we have seen wales has currently got a short fire breaker system in place. northern ireland and scotland have got their own controls in place, but the government is still sticking to a targeted approach for england in an effort to try to balance lives with the economy, but experts say the longer you leave it, the harder it is to turn things around, meaning that the government may still be forced into a lockdown to protect the nhs, but then it would have to be in place for longer because you'll be starting at a much at a much higher level. and we have seen france and germany announced their own lockdowns. the bad news is we are in a critical position and it is only 0ctober. health corresponden

sir patrick vallance was asked about that and he simply said it was likely restrictions were going toe yet. in newly released court documents ghislaine maxwell, the former girlfriend of the convicted sex offenderjeffrey epstein, says she "never witnessed any inappropriate underage activities". ms maxwell made the comments in 2016, while giving evidence in a civil case that had been brought by one of his victims. mr epstein, you'll remember, killed himself in prison last year. ms maxwell's lawyers had fought to keep the papers secret, arguing they could jeopardise her right to a fair trial next year. she's pleaded not guilty to helping epstein groom his victims, as well as perjury. let's bring in the bbc‘s nada tawfik who's been following today's developments. how significant are these documents? extremely significant. 0n how significant are these documents? extremely significant. on one hand, they form the basis of the perjury charges in the criminal case, the trial, that is coming up injuly. 0n the other hand, we have heard so little from ghislaine maxwell who has been described by e

sir patrick vallance was asked about that and he simply said it was likely restrictions were going tot. a number of holiday destinations have been added to the government's list of travel corridors, meaning people arriving in the uk from those places, after 4am sunday morning, do not have to isolate for 1h days. those areas are spain's ca nary islands, the greek island of mykonos, denmark and the maldives. let's return to the chancellor's new rescue dealforjobs. he is promising more support to businesses struggling under the most recent restrictions. let's talk to karan bilimoria, president of the confederation of british industry, an independent life peer in the house of lords and of course the founder and chairman of cobra beer. thank you so much for coming on and speaking to us. how would your business have dealt under these kind of restrictions? do you think the chancellor has mis—read the situation by bringing in this latest support package now? we've got to remember that this is only a seven month period since we first started the measures and going back to the lockdown on the 2

contradiction between what you are saying and what we had from professor chris whitty and sir patrick vallanceumbers are going in the wrong direction? absolutely. the r value is still above one, the best estimate, although there is a lot of uncertainty around that which means the rate of increase of the virus is still positive which is not what we want. we have got to very high levels because that value was even higher back at the beginning of september. but if you like, the silver lining is that there may be a downturn in the rate of increase. what we need to see is not onlyjust a downturn in the rate of increase but the virus decreasing again from the high levels. that is really important. i would completely endorse what was said yesterday. we need a redoubling of our own efforts as individuals and at the population level, to follow the guidance. that is the key takeaway, isn't it? no room for complacency, everybody has to remain very careful. absolutely, we are at a critical phase now. we have just got to follow the guidance on social mixing and distancing, hand washing, face covering, and

so as patrick vallance was seen yesterday, backin patrick vallance was seen yesterday, back in the peake heed of this but not imperative earlier in the year. what is your instinct? compared to earlier in the year, i don't know, i think it is so difficult to compare. we are much better, more aware of things now and we are dealing with things in a very different way. plus, testing a lot more people. i think we are just different way. plus, testing a lot more people. i think we arejust in very different times and we just have to focus on the pattern of cases of what is happening now. one of the things we talk about is the rules and how the rules change or are modified and whether or not they are modified and whether or not they are simple enough. what are you getting, just anecdotally, from the people you are seeing, the basins you are seeing? tell us what they are saying and how concerned they are, looking ahead to the festive season and thinking about whether families can get together and the infection rates we are hearing about? so, i am in an area where we do not have local lockdowns.

in september — the chief scientific advisor to the government sir patrick vallance predicted the uk couldded another 367 deaths — which takes the seven—day average of deaths in the uk to 200. markjit is a professor of vaccine epidemiology at the london school of hygiene and tropical medicine — also a member of the government's sage sub—committee on modelling. what does that statistic tells us about where we're headed with this? what we are seeing in deaths, each one is a tragedy and it reflects the number of cases we had three weeks ago. the deaths we will continue to have in the coming weeks will reflect what we are seeing with cases in the coming days. that figure that we have been hearing, 25,000 in hospital by the end of november, does that sound about right to you? that's what the modelling has been saying and as you saw from the graphs, so far it has been fairly accurate. 0bviously that assumes that everything continues as it is right now, that nothing changes. and on that front, yes, we are seeing these statistics, obviously with a large number of restrictions already in place. the

the government‘s chief medical and scientific advisers, chris whitty and patrick vallance, both warnedould have to be in place for longer because you would be starting it at a much higher level and we have seen france and germany announced their own lockdown is. the bad news is we are in a critical position and it is only 0ctober. we have got it tough for longer because you would be starting it at longer because you would be starting itata longer because you would be starting it at a much higher level and we have seen france and germany announced their own knock—downs. have seen france and germany announced their own knock-downs. the bad news is we are in a critical position and it is only 0ctober. we have got a tough four months ahead. 0k, thank you very much for that. catherine de costa, a health correspondent. thousands of soldiers and police are being deployed in france to protect places of worship and schools, following yesterday‘s knife attack in nice. three people were killed at the notre—dame basilica. the 21—year—old suspect, who‘d only recently entered the country, is in hosp

patrick vallance praised the measures that we re vallance praised the measures that were in place, thingsing, and the strict measures in lancashire and greater manchester for example, but he said the rules must continue, with attention starting to turn to christmas, what we can do and who we can see, the next few weeks will be vital. thank you very much indeed. while i wasjust vital. thank you very much indeed. while i was just talking to anna, i was just while i was just talking to anna, i wasjust —— while i was just talking to anna, i was just —— we have just heard from wales where there is the new firebreak lockdown beginning this evening. a further 761 cases of covid in 19 have been diagnosed in wales. the total there is 40,253 and public health wales say that a further 13 deaths reported from covid, bringing the total number of deaths since the start of the pandemic to 1756. that's in wales. dozens of cafes, pubs and restaurants, as well as several councils, have stepped in to offer free school meals for children in england during half term, after the government refused to fund them.

you will recall when chris whitty and patrick valla nce recall when chris whitty and patrick vallance the tv and look at the figures and come to our own conclusions but they are the people who ultimately understand the way the disease spreads. whilst in those local lockdown areas, keeping schools open, keeping people getting into work keeping the economy going, thatis into work keeping the economy going, that is the right balance. at the end of the day the politicians who decide on the restrictions, do you think they have gone far enough in those areas? absolutely, i think the restrictions in those areas are right but we need to keep looking at them and reviewing this. this is a moving situation, as you have mentioned, we have seen a rise in cases in some of those areas. so of course our advisors will be looking at that and telling us the appropriate steps to take next. it's not a perfect science, we are learning more about this disease all the time. i'm not pretending that the time. i'm not pretending that the government is all knowing and all seeing. we are using the best advice to

that is not the big number we were all scared by when sir patrick vallance mention at a couple of weeksandidates clashed over the economy and foreign policy, health care and racialjustice. ms harris criticised the trump administration's coronavirus response as the greatest failure in presidential history, while mr pence accused her of undermining confidence in an eventual vaccine. our north america correspondent nada tawfik reports. with the chaotic presidential debate still on the minds of americans, vice president mike pence and senator kamala harris walked on stage eager to reset the tone. over the course of 90 minutes, they delivered a far more substantive discussion that was civil, but not without fire. this is important. mr vice president, i'm speaking. i have to weigh in. straight away, the coronavirus that has infected millions of americans, including president trump and his white house, dominated the discussion, their divisions going beyond the glass barriers that separated them on stage. the american people have witnessed what is the greatest failure of any presidential admini

sir patrick vallance said in september that the uk is on virtually an identical path, the same identicalnseit from international practice. in one sense it is an advantage that we can see what is happening elsewhere and learn the lessons, and the big lesson is... and all those countries, france, germany, have looked at and tried and sought to deal with the challenges they face through targeted localised measures. that shows you it is the right approach. what we need to do is make them as effective as possible. obviously nottinghamshire, warrington, some of the other areas you mention, it's very difficult for the people there. it's for the businesses. we appreciate all the cooperation, collaboration we have had with local political leaders. by and large that has been pretty good. we are providing the financial support. it is really important as we ta ke support. it is really important as we take those measures, localised, as robust as we can, with the support we are providing, that we also get people following them. that is the way we break the cycle i mentioned, we avoid the blanket natio

last week, bbc news showed live the presentation by borisjohnson, chris whitty and sir patrick vallancee used at the bottom of the screen often obscures important information. there were several occasions where there was graphs shown. i could see red lines representing what i understood to be age groups but the information at the bottom of the screen to tell me what those colours represented was not available to me. so i would ask that perhaps you consider the use of the straplines, whether it's necessary, when such important information needs to come across to the public. consider that plea passed on to the powers that be, terry. finally, back to the presidential us election with apologies to those who, as we heard earlier, have had enough from the united states already. we mentioned last week some of your reaction to coverage of the first and as it turns out possibly last debate between the two main candidates. but this week the places of president trump and joe biden were taken by mike pence and kamala harris in the vice presidential debate. it's fair to say it didn't attract the sam

i think we will all be able to remember and think back to when chris whitty and patrick vallance saidestion is, is it too late, should it have been done earlier? i think there was a lot of evidence to suggest it should have been done earlier. the paper from sage from 21st september made that clear reputation. but politicians have been reluctant to treat cornwall the same as newcastle for example. but we are in a serious situation now and looking ahead to the next few weeks, hearing from colleagues in liverpool and elsewhere, just about the strain, the hospitals are under, i'm sure sarah can speak of a clinical perspective. sarr sara, let‘s pick up on where the problems are in the community. so we look at the big picture and there is the possibility of the announcements about government and the reaction to it, what is happening within the community that is making the situation change? i think part of the problem is that come august we had eat out to help out and everybody believed this this was all over. and at that time, there was complete abandonment of any pretence at social distanc