ship, right, patrisse?e ship >> seth: like a boat >> yes [ laughter ] >> i was -- i was doing comedy on a cruise ship as, you know -- you know comedy. you know how comedy works. >> seth: sure. >> you know the places comedy can bring you. but we were part of a really cool thing called summit series. so we met -- we met there and then instantly just became fans of each other's work and like you said, obviously, it's a weird thing to promo a show while these things are going on, and it felt really exciting to bring patrisse on to talk about the amazing work she's been doing for so long >> seth: i understand, ramy. obviously it is hard to promote anything in these times, but your show does deal with heavier issues than maybe most sitcoms would deal with. you actually have a -- an anti -- or i should say you have a racism episode about the fact that not just whites are racists in this season of your show. >> yeah, it's a theme that we definitely explore i think there is this dialogue that racism is like white pe

yes, it's about the immediate changes patrisse is talking about. also about a generation of young people, you know, crying out for a world that isn't driven by racial and class inequalities that are enforced by policing. and the sad truth is that that has been the role that police have played in american society systems that produce these inequalities. and every time we turn a problem over to them, it makes nose those inequalities worse in the long run. police abolition is about trying to reduce the burden of policing today while we work to build something better for future. >> trevor: so let's talk a little bit about that. mychal, maybe you can help me. if there are no police, like are, you proposing or do you see a world with no police? or is it just a different kind of people who enforce laws? what does that mean? >> we say "abolish the police" because we mean abolish the police. there's no mincing of language there. there's nothing that we're trying to trick you on. but the thing i think that-- where i come down is just who is making the positi

plus, we will go to los angeles to speak with black lives matter co-founder patrisse cullors, author of the memoir "when they call you a terrorist." consistent policicing, militarized policing, i witnessed the impact of mass incarceration had on my family members and the most early beinges for me or my home raided by lapd. amy: all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, demomocracynow.org, the quarante reportrt. i'm amy goodman. as a h historic c uprisingng agt police violence continues across the united states, president trump monday threatened to send heavily armed soldiers into the country's streets. pres.. trump: mayorsrs and governors must establish an overwhelelming law enforcement presence until the violence has been quelled. if a city or state refuses to tatake the actions thahat aree necessarary to defend the lilifd propoperty of their residents, then i will deploy the united states military anand quickly solve the problem for them. amy: as trump spoke from the rose garden, blasts could be heard from nearby lafayette park as the national guard and police office

joining me is patrisse cullors. thank you for being with me.e things that i've seen and you and i have discussed this before but not in this particular phase of the movement since the killing of george floyd is that we've seen people of different races, of different orientations in terms of their sexuality and we've seen people of different genders coming together, something that you always talked about since you started with two others the black lives matter slogan and then built it into some detailed movement, which i want to get to in a minute. but is this not what all of us really have been talking about for a long time, and do you think that we can hold it and make some substantive change out it hav of it? >> it's so good to be on the show. it's so good to see you. i feel very proud for the folks in the streets that have not let up for the last 13 days. i think what we've seen over the last seven years and many can argue over the last 400 years is a sustained movement to make sure that black folks get the rights that they've deserved for a

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three women, alicia garza, patrisse cullors, opal tometi. thank you.a lot of people have thought that phrase was alienating, that somehow it meant that other people did not matter and perhaps the deliberate misunderstanding of that phrase is how we got here. can you hear me now? you might remember that commercial. it was all about, can you connect while talking? we now know the connection in discussing the issue of race and police brutality was somehow interrupted over and over again and now we know-- we always knew-- that it was a matter of life and death. it's been the silent, and sometimes loud, plea from black people, the "can you hear me now? "when will you hear me? how do i get your attention?" that was unheard. and then we saw this incredible vision over the past few weeks, a sea of young people from all backgrounds who said, collectively, "we're gonna break through the noise." the 24/7 rightful concerns of covid-19, the spiraling economy, all stopped because their revolution would be televised and we would have to watch. they're the generation

just listen to them when they explain what they're calling for, as black lives matter co-founder, patrissers, did on this show last week >> if anybody has time they should look up their city budget what we start to realize so much in our communities that are divested from, that have little access to health care, educational opportunities, access to jobs and healthy food, is that our city governments are using our tax dollars to primarily pay for an economy of punishment over an economy of care and that's what so many black lives matter organizers and organizers that are allies of black lives matter are asking for -- is to allow for a reallocation of investment into some of the most marginalized and divested-from communities. >> seth: yes she's right. for one thing, if you've ever had the time to look up your city's budget, it's now. you're probably still in lockdown what else are you going to do? watch "the sopranos" in your sweatpants for the fourth time while you bake your eighth loaf of banana bread? "mmm, still -- still too dry." second, an economy of punishment is the right way to thi