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patton died shortly thereafter. goldsborough stated two months according to her own letter book in which she kept a journal. she collected notes of appreciation from the men she cared for. she wrote with great affection about one texas veteran, who died at number 13 1863. two months after the battle. would to god i would have saved you, but all is over. worldly sufferings are ended. if tears or love could have availed, i would not but to weep by his gravesite. that is one of her letters. on her return to baltimore, she wrote a lengthy letter to sam's mother, reassuring her you must not feel your son died in an enemy's country with none to love or care for him. the whole brigade loved him as well as all came in contact with him. a comforting letter to another. eventually authorities began cracking down on confederate sympathizers in baltimore. --effie was arrested. her house was searched. her sympathy was used against her, and she was finished until virginia -- until the end of the war in virginia. i think i have eat

patton. without patton, they may not have stemmed that tide, but patten, i was in france at the time patton went 90 miles in one day in france. and i was present at the time went patton went two forward. they closed in on them. and they thought they were trapped, general patton, but they did not. so we got out of that. all i had was a power bye. and it was only good for 250 yards many when i was at dunbar, i had a 1903 rifle. the bullet would travel three miles, and that's world war i p fp. the point is, i wanted to thank bradley, who was one of the outstanding people and, of course, the point is, that we have to thank montgomery who was a british military officer. he and i now were colonels together in north africa, you see many i'm up on my history. i've been there. >> you certainly are. the point is, that the tuskegee airmen did a remarkable job, and i want you to remember roscoe brown, mcgee and mcgee i have a question for you. you were supposed to be at the veteran's day celebration this

patton. without patton, they may not have stemmed that tide, but i was in france at the time patton went 90 miles in one day in france. i was present at the time when patton went too far one day and two german divisions closed in on us. they thought they were trapped. they did not. we got out of that. all i had was a carbine and it was only good for 250 yards. when i was at dunbar as a 19-year-old, and it would travel three miles, and the point is, i want to thank bradley who was outstanding. of course, the point is that we have to thank montgomery who was a british high military officer, because he and i were colonels together. i am up on my history. but i have been there. mike: yes, you are. [laughter] hammond: the point is, they did a remarkable job. i want you to remember roscoe brown. i want you to remember mcgee. mcgee, you were supposed to be at the veterans day memorial day celebration this november. mike: he is calling you out. [laughter] col. hammond: i was looking forward because t

well, one of my favorites, george patton. we have his papers which included diaries. 5,has an entry from march 1943, where he says, am leaving in a few minutes for algiers, hope for the best. this terminates this volume. general keys will see that gets to you. it is to frank to be shown to anyone but -- it may one day be of historical value. his place in the world and his work. we have a significant collection of his papers, which highlights of many military collections that we have which document conflicts from the colonial period p to the present. we have the diaries of not just generals and leaders, but ordinary serviceman, especially in the civil war. as well as the papers of leaders like john paul jones, john j pershing, george patton, and admiral william crowell. we are a center for the study of military history. things, youof the can open a box and go through it. here is a dispatch received by the uss ranger, l raid on pearl harbor. this is not a drill. was is how the military spreading the news about the attack. paper

pershing, george patton, and admiral william crowell. we are a center for the study of military history. this is one of the things, you can flip a box open a box and go , through it. here is a dispatch received by the uss ranger, air raid on pearl harbor. this is not a drill. that is how the military was spreading the news about the attack. these are from patton's papers. this is a map for the invasion of sicily. you can see on the bottom right-hand corner that it was a classified document at one time labeled "secret." also the top has it, which highlights the fact that we have classified documents which have top-secret designations. then of course in time these documents become declassified and we stamp it on there so we can prove we are not letting things being declassified before their time. having the agencies waggle their fingers at us. we have records of nongovernmental organizations, the largest of which is the records of the naacp. there are over 3 million items. this is the largest collection we have, the single collection we ha

there is a picture of general patton with bing crosby in france and dinah shore.army nurse, retired in west virginia a few years ago, they asked her when the boys came back from the front wounded and so forth, what did they talk about? she said never the war, they wanted to talk about bob hope and bing crosby. they wanted distance from the harsh reality of things. while bing crosby was going to europe, bob hope was all over the pacific. that comedy team did a lot of that morale work. it was a tremendous contribution. many stars did the same thing. the uso were set up for this morale thing. the military forces were not the only ones who needed to be involved, the whole nation needed to be involved in that war. bing crosby understood that as a patriotic duty and carried it out as only he could, because he was the major star of the time. what i found when i started volunteering at this museum, many people do not know how many children he had or what happened to his first wife. he divorced his first wife. she died of cancer very young. he remarried. they did not know

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you have to lynn to one girl who explains -- you have to listen to one girl who explains how much patton means to her. >> he's cool. energetic. >> a friend of mine, his son was in challenger, and got me involved and even though his son has aged out of the program, i continued i love the game, and something to give back to the kids. >> from a great story to a what just went viral, see this. check out the chiefs cheerleader. now look at the cameraman. what do you get? bam! it was a defense he have battle between the -- defensive battle when the eased east -- eagles and chiefs. >> painful to i'm a lawyer, and i have clients, and i am proud to do what i do on behalf of my clients. narrator: the clients john adams and his team are so proud to work for? banks accused of money laundering. big corporations accused of defrauding taxpayers. and mortgage lenders accused of unfairly foreclosing on homes. now he wants to be attorney general. john adams: the best attorney general the powerful and well-connected can buy. i'm mark herring, candidate for attorney general, and i sponsored this ad. >>> i h

patton oswalt: one of the most unique sitcoms on tv today is set here in 1980-something.re and try and look enormous. oswalt: it's about this family, the goldbergs, and conveniently it's called the goldbergs. what kind of moron gets stuck in a tree? adam said i couldn't climb this high. i showed him. you sure did. (clamoring) murray: the hose is the way to go. hey, neighbors. hi. we have got to get that barbeque on the books, don't we? oswalt: if you didn't live through them, the '80s were filled with trapper keepers, aerobics videos and dot-matrix printers. it was a time when we were the world, and despite our differences, we held hands across america. if those words make you feel a little lost, i'll give you a moment or two to google them. (computer chimes) crazy, right? in the next half hour, we areng to ow you

you know, you deserve a major patton the back and a big collective american hug from all of us. what you've done for yourselves under i mean unimaginable conditions is incredibly admirable and you get a big salute from me and the rest of us. just amazing. >> pete: it's worth remembering it used to be its own country.to >> clayton: well we all know the pledge of allegiance to america. texans know the texas pledge. they say their own pledge to texas. >> well now everybody knows why, right? >> pete: that's right. >> clayton: dan we want to get your take on daca. the deferred action for childhood arrivals and those folks, those kids who were here because their parents were here illegally, under no fault of their own they're here and they've been living and working in many respects. silicon valley this week sent an open letter apple, facebook, google a lot of major companies said keep this in place otherwise it will cost the economy billions of dollars and billions of dollars out of medicaid and social security because they pay into it. the president under pressure to continue this p

is now making its way towards patton said brace yourself with some very wet and windy weather coming in here then you can see the shield of cloud pushing its way into southernmost part so as toss the packed ice. as the first signs of the storm just pulling away from that eastern side of china it will filter that very wet windy weather up as we go on through sas day some very big downpours coming in ahead of the storm and then landfall cue she was to go on through sunday with a very strong winds damaging winds for some we are going to see the flooding rains possibility some mudslides as well as we go on through sunday and on into monday so the moment this is the position of the storm just to the southeast of shanghai pulling away from taipei further south we have typhoon docks sciri very close to what has made landfall across vietnam and it will continue to drive this way further west which as we go through the next couple days saturday flooding rains across a good part of those northern areas of china and pushing over towards me and as we go on through sunday the winds weakening very

peter rouget filling in for mike patton tonio this is america's lawyer a recent data breach of the credit reporting agency equifax has exposed the personal data of millions of people across the globe to potentially dangerous and individuals over the course of about two months hackers access to all sorts of personal data about the consumers in the united states as well as the data of hundreds of thousands of people in canada the united kingdom and other countries around the world tonight we'll tell you what kind of information was stolen how the company has responded and how you can protect yourself if your information was leaked and later in the show all talking about how the u.s. custom border protection is facing sharp criticism for searching through the private information on laptops in cell phones of u.s. citizens when read. entering the country including a nasa engineer so don't go anywhere america's lawyer starts now. in may of this year as americans were planning their summer vacations and counting down the days before their kids got out of school the credit reporting agency equifa

the country as the subject of the new legal thriller by r t america and ring of fire radio's mike patton tonio the book is called law and vengeance that's coming out at the end of this month it's available for preorder right now joining me now to talk more about his book as might happen tony self-doubt welcome back. good to see you great to have you with us first off half i understand this book is based somewhat on a true story can you tell us about that. you know it's a case this law firm actually handled where we had a weapons manufacturer obviously somebody who contracts with the government on a regular basis had made a product that was a gun side and unfortunately the gun side didn't work for about every hundred yards it was off several degrees and it ended up causing injury and actually people being killed by it because when you put it out humidity put it out in hot air in humidity it just malfunctioned and here's the real problem the government knew about it the government understood that there were problems with it they sold it anyway they put it on the market anyway and then on t

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here's a picture of general patton with him in france. and dinah shore. spokane, washington on c-span cities tour all we can on this labor day holiday. is this afternoon on c-span twos book tv as we look back at bing crosby and c-span threes american history tv online anytime and c-span.org/citi estour. we are going to welcome robert , he was at the table back in 1994 during the clinton administration's negotiations with north korea. let's talk about the news overnight. how concerned are you about the successful testing apparently of a hydrogen bomb? guest: there are two parts to that question -- whether it was a true thermonuclear weapon or not. analysts are going to be looking at that, starting with the yield, but the yield is as initially were ordered, 100 kilotons. so besides times or the bombs were dropped on japan at the end of the second world war in hiroshima and nagasaki. they were bad enough, they were legitimately called city busters. this means that the north koreans don't have to have a terribly accurate missile is attacking the city when you

here's a picture of general patton with him in france. and dinah shore. spokane, washington on c-span cities tour all we can on this labor day holiday. is this afternoon on c-span twos book tv as we look back at bing crosby and c-span threes american history tv online anytime and

generals grant and lee, eisenhower, patton and this man, general douglas macarthur.ew solders yb more admired or controversial. he was a military prodigy and a highly decorated soldier of three veteran american worse. he inspired great devotion of his men and troubled relations with several presidents. and like a figure of a greek tragedy he fell from power. come with us on this special journey into the life of this altogether too human five-star hero. ♪ >> it would be crowds lined up sometimes three to four blocks long. you'd just get a glimpse of this man. >> i do recall some comments, who does this guy think he is? >> they say i thought he was a little bit shy underneath. >> general macarthur has a superiority complex and i think it's because he is superior. >> had his first recollection of hearing a bugle blow. >> james is the archivist in norfolk, virginia. >> 96,000 photographs we have. contains all the radio messages from japan period as well as the world war ii records. >> it's here that the general public as well as historians who have written some 80 books

eisenhower simply said to patton -- do it you ever want -- do whatever you want to do. is that true? >> i am not an expert on that. as far as i know, your account is accurate, but that is not -- do you know anything about this? expert on that particular moment either, but it is sounding familiar to me. happy was certainly not , but i cannoty validate that story for sure. i'm sorry. >> i have explained, i have made a point in my old age of focusing on the eisenhower presidency, and i am not a war expert. i am sorry. a quick comment. first, i want to thank you both for offering a very interesting presentation. i am particularly interested in the in's and out's of the strategies of the civil rights act of 1957, in part because i want to make a -- for my friend and colleague, our rock, who is a professor of law at the university of san diego. he passed away at the age of 100 last your. the professor was very closely involved in negotiations for the civil rights act of 1957 as a law professor at the university of minnesota at the time. -- between civil and criminal , that co

scott in patton, when he said, rommel, you sob, i read your book, and that's really what it is. that's part of it. anymore questions? >> one more. if all this evidence and he was convicted, -- i have to say this rhetorically. why was he given life instead of the death penalty? sandra: a good question. that all that was on the federal books. at the time, and i think this went back -- i am not positive but i think this went back years to frank church, the church committee. i think that's what it was, and i think it was death only in times of war, and might not even have been that. however, what did happen because of ames, the death penalty was put back on the books, and robert hansen faced death, but instead i think he got something even worse. he went to supermax in colorado. bad place. that's the reason. >> was rosario a spy? and if not, what was she convicted of? sandra: i had to look this up. all honesty. rosario was convicted of two things, espionage was one. and income tax evasion was the other. [laughter] she signed those 1040s. she did not know rick was spying until about

pkgitús rare you find a criminal in an animal shelter cg: annette patton,you are good, youúre so sweetthisnd heeler cattle dog came to the animal services shelter with a troubled past pattonthe police department brought him in because he was out there doing things he shouldnút have been doing.last week, surveillance video caught a man, 27 year old christopher coello, entering the quikstop on lakewood avenue and after grabbing a soda, he pointed a gun at the clerk and demanded money. coello, who was arrested saturday and charged with armed robbery, had been outside the store with this dog before the robbery. nats now, the shelter has jokingly named the dog "partner", for being a partner in crime, and are making him available for adoption next wednesday. the fee for adoption is $90, and all pre-adoption work, like micropchipping and vaccinations, is being done this week...the center operates on a first come, first serve basispattonkeep your heart full and know that heús been involved as a partner in crime so he may need some looking after when heús at home, but heús a very good dog. (vicki)

when you think of patton, you think of the actor. george c scott. but lincoln would probably be happy. daniel day-lewis is a great-looking guy. that is an uptick in the image making process. mr. carmichael: i don't know. mr. holzer: we were going to talk about some of that image as lincoln as a towering guy. mr. carmichael: we will talk about that in a moment. one of the things i thought was brilliant about the movie is it showed lincoln and how he was at his best in the bareknuckle political fights. especially, i think -- typical americans don't like to see lincoln in that light. they see him as a statesman. see --zer: they do not they don't like to see the making of the sausage. they only want to see the results. mr. carmichael: that's right. so i thought this book -- we see a man in lincoln who seduces the press in some ways that i , would like you to talk to the audience about. in light of the fact that you are an avowed lincoln man, and this is an area where lincoln does not look so good all of the time. right? mr. holzer: well, he looks more c

"okay, all, right, listen up: this is how general patton stopped the nazis at the battle of miami, okay? so, there at miami beach-- fabulous hotels-- he sneaks into hitler's cabana, dressed as a babysitter. named brenda, i think. ( laughter ) then, he told them-- okay, they said to him, don't forget to put the turkey in the microwave. when they come home, the turkey is in the bassinet. eva braun freaks out. hitler shoots himself in the bunker. true story." ( laughter ) so-- we check him out? is that a true story? okay, so-- we'll fact-check that. ( laughter ) so, this story is complete nonsense. however, one thing about general pershing that is true is this quote of his: "a competent leader can get efficient service from poor troops, while on the contrary, an incapable leader can demoralize the best of troops." did he say anything? ( cheers and applause ) ( piano riff ) yay! yeah. ( cheers and applause ) huge. we always have a lot of general pershing fans in the audience. ( laughter ) and, trump has had a lot of problems with histo

he was a corp commander in patton's army. he's a really experienced sbat soldier and a very fine officer. macarthur however came up with a concept to crush the north koreans. his idea was that walker in the pusan perimeter would launch an attack out meanwhile he would launch an amphibious landing at inchan the port area for seoul. the object was to seize seoul and cutoff the north koreans. the problem was multiple. inchan has between 29 and 35 -- 36 foot tide differentials. so, you know -- higher than this ceiling at high tide, below our floor at low tide. that's a huge tidal difference and that makes a dramatic difference when you're trying to land. secondly, you've got mud flats at low tide that extent 6,000 yards. 6,000 yards. so they're going to have -- that's four miles and of course landing craft and ships and tanks are going to get stuck in the mud so you're not going to be able to land at low tied. there are numerous islands en route that you'll have to occupy. as you advance, the waterways are really rough in the win

the eighth army and the eighth army was commanded by walton walker and it was a core commander in patton's army in the european theater and so he's a really experienced combat soldier and a very fine officer and they crushed the north koreans. his idea was that walker in the pusan perimeter would launch an attack out and he would launch an amphibious landing for seoul, and the object was to seize that, seize seoul, push in land and then cut off the north koreans. the problem was multiple. it was inchan, and 36-foot high differentials and so higher than this ceiling at high tide and below the floor at low tide and that's a huge tidal difference and that's a dramatic difference when you're trying to land. secondly, you have mud flaps at low tide that extends 6,000 yards. 6,000 yards. so that's four miles and of course, landing craft and landing ship tanks and things like that will get stuck in the mud with the mud flaps so you will not be able to land at low tide and there are numerous islands and en route that you will have to occupy, if you advance. the waterways are really rough in the wi

. >>> jose is a hurricane again, i'll have the latest patton that storm and heat and humidity and whetherks around for the weekend. >>> it is hard, but it is good at the same time. >>> it is not the reaction you think a mother would have after her son was given a ticket, tonight, the moment that moved this mom to tears, for all of the right reasons. >>> and now at 6:00 busy beach day for september, but, tonight, a warning, from the shore, emergency crews keeping a very close eye on hurricane jose and its potential, impact as long the jersey coast. concerns certainly growing as that storm churns in the atlantic. good evening, i'm ukee washington. >>> i'm natasha brown. we will check with meteorologist kate bilo in just a moment but first "eyewitness news" reporter cleve bryan is live in ocean city with what we can expect down the shore this weekend, cleve. >>> natasha, i expect beautiful weather. it is beautiful right now. you need to be aware what is going on with the ocean. there is some strong waves here. we have to be mindful of what is still to come. >> like a summer day, never know i

you know, there's nothing that people love more than being patton the held and told that you just don't understand. this is exactly one of the reasons why president trump is president trump because they are tired of liberals and politicians and the elite class telling them what's best for them and what they should or shouldn't know and do and they're just tired of it. i think it's a huge insult to the american public but this also empowers president trump because americans voted for this kind of president, that kind of courage, that kind of the truthfulness. you know, rocket man is a very serious situation when you play with fire you get burned and that's exactly the warning this president was saying. >> liz: katrina, this msnbc remark about voters been unsophisticated about the u.n., does the trump voter get the " nuances" to not protect americans in other words nbc host like stephanie ruehl, should they go to syria and see how fist it indicated the u.n. was when they did not protect these people from genecide there or how sophisticated it was when it did not protect women and children

um, there is a picture of general patton with bing in france. and dinah shore.n ex-army nurse who retired in west virginia a few years ago and they asked her, when the boys came back from the front wounded and so forth, what did they talk about? and she said, never the war. they wanted to talk about hope and -- about bob hope and bing crosby. they wanted distance from the harsh reality of things. bob hope was all over the pacific. bing crosby was in europe. so the comedy team did a lot of the morale work. it was a tremendous contribution. of course, many stars did the same thing. the ufo was set up for this. the real point was, this, the military forces were not the only ones who needed to be involved in the war, the whole nation needed to be involved in that war. bing understood it as a patriotic duty and he carried out as only he could come because it was the major star of the time. [indiscernible] [chatter] married five years later. had seven children altogether. >> what i found pretty quickly when i started volunteering at the museum was many people did not

. >> joining me now, donnminick patton.re your expectations for stephen colbert tonight? how political is he going to get? might he cross that line and go too far for some viewers? >> of course he will. donald trump is two things. a, i don't know why donald trump isn't nominated for an emmy this year because he's the only thing on television that's breaking all the records, and he's especially helped break rating records for stephen colbert, who has put himself in the number one position week after week because of his stance on trump. that is part of why stephen is hosting this besides the fact it's a cbs broadcast. you know he's going to go hard on trump. we've heard there might be sp surprises politically theme. but no surprise, stephen colbert is going to start with trump and hit that drum throughout the night. >> let's talk about best drama and your picks among the seven options there. what do you think in. >> i think there's a lot of great shows here but i think we need to look at three in part. the handmaid's tale, nb

there's endemic in our community, there's historical trauma, we are not blaming ourselves, stacy patton gets a lot of flak for her book but there's a lot of truth being a person coming from a violent home being in foster care and going back to a jail every week where i sit with these women and hear their stories. i would like you to speak to that. >> this is one of the more difficult conversations, because you are absolutely correct that black people have experienced trauma and we should of course as a community and the nation be willing to identify the trauma slavery brought on the black community, that poverty and violence and segregation and abuse of many kinds bring on. but at the same time, we should also not think that trauma is a 1-way street. what i mean by that is people respond differently to trauma. there are people who come through traumatic situations and that sort of leaves down a difficult path in their life, a path that they will regret later and other people go through traumatic situations and go down a path they are happy they went down because that trauma encouraged a

james patton joins us with details. who is it?for it has been with the company for a wild now. he was educated at harvard, he worked his way through the ranks eventually becoming global head of drug development. his current position. he knows the company extremely well. the pipeline. the research. is also have experience on the commercial side. -- he has also had experience on the commercial side. guy: i have this chart. beginning it at the of his time at the company. it has underperformed. is this the reason why he is going and is this the biggest challenge that his successor faces? >> they are at a crossroads. they have been in a slump as the chart suggests. the company is talking about returning to growth next year in 2018. they have a dozen potential blockbusters in the pipeline. they just got fda approval for a cutting-edge cancer breakthrough which they could turn to different indications and different areas. they are on the brink of interesting decisions for the company. that this could be a time they looked at the situatio

you know, you deserve a major patton the back and a big collective american hug from all of us. us. just amazing. >> pete: it's worth remembering it used to be its own country. >> clayton: well we all know the pledge of allegiance to america. texans know the texas pledge. they say their own pledge to texas. >> well now everybody knows why, right? >> pete: that's right. >> clayton: dan we want to get your take on daca. the deferred action for childhood arrivals and those folks, those kids who were here because their parents were here illegally, under no fault of their own they're here and they've been living and working in many respects. silicon valley this week sent an open letter apple, facebook, google a lot of major companies said keep this in place otherwise it will cost the economy billions of dollars and billions of dollars out of medicaid and social security because they pay into it. the president under pressure to continue this program. what do you think is going to happen? >> well listen, that flag we have means something. that flag stands for the rule of law and there'

patton adams. we are one of fed intelligence vendors you alluded to earlier along with crowd strike and others. my question is, what is the role of that community in the context of deterrence and especially the attribution part of that? unless the question seems too self-serving, how do you mitigate potential conflicts of interest where vendors may want to overblow a threat, overstate a threat to their business interests but give them a role within the pol-making sphere and also the response in the case of critical infrastructure attacks. >> can i add a footnote to that. the cyber threat alliance. where does that fit in, which i think is getting to private/public partnership with real attribution. it's having significant impact. >> i can say this as a private citizen now. there have been plenty of times where the government has been able to come to an attribution decision but there is a -- then a policy decision to not make that public. and it has been -- again, now as an outsider it's good to see