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patty: hello? cathy: patty! i've decided to follow your lead and file for social security benefits online. patty: but cath, aren't you back in zanzibar? cathy: i just got on my laptop and went to socialsecurity.gov. it took less than 15 minutes! patty: wow! you are a miracle worker. cathy: well, cheers, patty. i'm off to film a baby rhino. ♪ when cousins are two of a kind! ♪ patty: a baby rhino. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands up one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. it's >> i will be taking the roll-call of commissioners. president mazzucco: present. >> commissioner chan. commissioner chan: present. commissioner slaughter: present. >> you have a quorum. you have the chief of police. >> thank you very much. ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the wednesday, august 17 police commission. we have a very heavy agenda tonight. the highlight of the agenda will be the 100-day report. we will see what the statistics a

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murray by the way democrats pick up patty murray is is i think it's cynical and patty murray is the head of the democratic senatorial campaign committee she's also a moderate democrat well she came here she is you know on the air in seattle i hear all the criticisms of patty murray patty murray is this is this might be good for campaigning for the d c c this is not good for her any sort is not really matter and the reason it was by the way are asking for her we have not to give up her spot at the c.c. or not be on the committee yeah well we'll see we have a minute left in this topic and then we got to go to court for sixty three percent of america this is a new c.n.n. poll just came out sixty three percent of americans want this committee to increase taxes on business and i income americans sixty four percent oppose any cuts whatsoever to medicare or social security and for those republicans who say we need to broaden the tax base of those have more middle class people eighty seven percent oppose increasing taxes on middle and low income americans so any of these things going to hav

murray patty patty murray is this is this might be good for campaigning for the d c c this is not good for for any sort of really matter and liberals by the way are asking for her we not to give up her spot at the d.c.c. or not be on the committee yeah well we'll see we have a minute left in this topic and then we got to get it for quick for sixty three percent of america this is a new c.n.n. poll just came up sixty three percent of americans want this committee to increase taxes on business and i think americans sixty four percent oppose any cuts whatsoever to medicare social security and for those republicans who say we need to broaden the tax base notice it more middle class people eighty seven percent oppose increasing taxes on middle and lower income americans are off so any of these things going to have. but it makes no sense i mean a find if they want to if they don't have a country that goes bankrupt and can't have any medicare or social security in the long term then that's a great policy route to go but that is not the way to save this country and save our fiscal future but m

they are patty murray of washington, max baucus of montana and john kerry of massachusetts.osed to be set up by next week. >>> we've seen what's been going on in britain the past few days, fires, looting marauding gangs. the sale of aluminum baseball bats has skyrocketed. amazon reported orders were up more than 8,000 pr. on the amazon discussion board there. if you find yourself not able to update your status. anonymous might be to blame. the hacker group is vowing to kill facebook november 5th. the video message says even if you delete your account, all your information stays on facebook. facebook is not commenting on the alleged plot. >>> just days before president obama and his family are supposed to be on vacation, there's been a small fire at his vacation home on martha's vineyard. the fire chief of chill mark, massachusetts says an outdoor gas grill caught fire at the main house at blue heron farm. the damage was minor. >>> the london riots no doubt a serious situation. count on comedians to find the funny side. here is your punch line. >> how bad has the situation go

we discuss patty app brown's new book "that's how i roll." but first, what is the secret to a long and healthy life? bob explains it and you do the opposite. >>> can you live to be 100 and still have a lot of fun? of course not says doctors who wouldn't say that. but research seems to suggest that healthy habits do little to get people to live to 100. albert einstein college of medicine, probably not a real place studied 500 adults between the ages of 95 and 109 comparing them with 3,000 others born in the same time frame and found that hitting the century mark has everything to do with the genes. the old farts that were interviewed drank and smoke and did as little exercise as their long dead contemporaries. explains one of the professors, quote, longevity genes helped to buffer them against the harm of affects of an unhealthy lifestyle. perhaps like this. >> you work out constantly and sometimes in a shorty robe. do you feel you wasted your time? >> in terms of longevity, two words, keith richards. obviously a lot is genetic and you can't s

harry reid is going to pick max baucus, john kerry and patty murray. baucus is a centrist and works with republicans on taxes and more in the middle. this could signal that they are looking for a deal. "usa today" poll said six of ten americans want compromise. >> bret: patty murray head of the democratic senator call pain. >> on the left. >> bret: thank you. oil hit the lowest mark since september. crude fell $2 to close at $# 9.30 a barrel. gasoline is averaging $3.5 a gallon. five cents less than a week ago. gold hit another record high. closing at $1740 an ounce. up $30 from monday. price tag for president obama's healthcare law may be bigger than anyone anticipate anticipated. $50 billion bigger every year. correspondent shannon bream is here to tell us about new analysis with alarming conclusions. >> good evening. >> well that analysis comes from the national bureau of economic research. they claim the budget office underestimated the cost of the healthcare law. according to the report, joint committee on taxation told cbo to calculate the cost b

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. >> max baucus, john kerry, patty murray. >> signed a pledge against any tax hikes. >> really is going to have to be who can fight ideologically. >> 82% of americans now disapprove of the way congress is doing its job. >> it's also very disturbing, the lack of diversity. >> this super committee is so distressing. >> melissa harris-perry can't stand talking about the super committee, so she'll review a movie for us instead. >> all right, i'm going to do it. but i need to make sure she understand this ain't no game. >> republicans are trying to explain how losing two senate seats in wisconsin is actually a win for them. >> what we saw happen in wisconsin. >> two seats picking up last night was decent. >> this is sort of a test for progressives. >> this is devastating for unions. >> ed schultz joins me. >> i can't do this story tonight without having fun with these people. >> and iowa gets crazier as the candidates get ready for the straw poll. >> i've got more than one gear. >> also preparing for tomorrow night's big race. >> fun and entertainment, we're always going to have a petting zo

i am patty lee and i was look to introduce my comc. >> good morning. my name is maurice. one of the interesting things to note is the collaborative came apart from the meetings and get togethers. this is important for stake holders and it works. >> i have a few housekeeping measures. i want everybody to take notice to the emergency exits. we are asking that everybody please sit down if you can because you would be blocking the emergency exit. men's room is on the first floor. it's closed on this floor. we are asking that everybody including our panelist to remember turn off your black berries, pagers and phones. at this time, i am very honored and proud to introduce jeff adachi. >> thank you very much. and welcome to the 5th annual public defender's juvenile summit. i was thinking this morning. 5 years. maybe we will not need this because we will have justice for youth. until that time, we will continue to meet and talk and create action. this is the theme of today's summit. creating an action plan that will result in the changes that we're talking about today and the inn

patti look at this live shot?do we know about what is going on here. >> reporter: it is a tense situation. as you can see there are s.w.a.t. team members on the roof of this hotel. this began yesterday morning in san rafael, california. an armed man barricaded himself inside this hotel room. a woman is apparently with him. it's not clear according to police if she is being held against her will. authorities said that a large steel plate has been lowered in front of the suspect's window to prevent any stray gunfire. they first headed to the extended stay deluxe hotel on francisco boulevard after learning this a suspect in a stabbing on sunday was there. the man fired a shot toward the highway, police evacuated dozens of hotel guests and they should down highways. the suspect is still hold up. officers continue to talk to him. the suspect is suspected of stabbing a clerk during a shoplifting attempt on sunday. police say he took groceries from the supermarket, tried to walk out without paying, held a knife to an emp

patty murray is on there and senator john kerry and max baucus and some grumbling that patty murray is democrats elected. i would argue, ron, that every single person in congress spends all of their spare time trying to get their friends elected so you're not going to find anybody who is totally clean on that. >> right. i think harry reid missed an opportunity in the members that he named. first of all, the super committee is as we have said about an important opportunity to really make a dent in this long-term deficit problem, because the rules that established it allow it to have an expedited path to the floor in both chambers if a majority of the committee agrees on a recommendation which probably gives you the best chance we will see for many years for a truly comprehensive response to this problem. i think senator reid by not picking anyone who is clearly identified with the gang of six effort which was a bipartisan effort, the challenge kind of effort in both parties. democrats willing to take on entitlementments and republicans talking about revenue. even though he has picked ab

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patti ann has more on this. >> reporter: it was a bad situation there. a storm hit an outdoor concert in belgium, in brussels. it caused a stage to collapse, a band from chicago was to play. five concertgoers were killed and 140 others injured, hit by debris. you can see the scene, it was all chaos. it happened at a very popular festival in brussels. the rest of that festival has been canceled. the band also played at hrol a p lollapoolza. the band members twitted praying that no one was hurt, obviously the tragedy details had not hit. another stage collapsed at the indiana state fair, that killed five and hurt dozens of others. they are reevaluating the safety for these outdoor festivals. it is very hard to control the weather and this can happen when you have large numbers of people outdoors. jamie: police are launching a brand-new search for a young mother missing for two years. the search began again today. susan powell, mother of two little boys, ages 4 and 2. her husband josh said he last saw his wife when he went to go camping with the boys in the

note that there is only one woman on this committee and that's patty murray. you know it's very tough with 12 people to get everything and everyone represented. but that's probably not quite the representation that some would have liked. >> so how important is it that in the legislation that created this, you only need the committee only needs seven votes to get it to congress? >> this, the legislation that created this is remarkable in that it takes away some of the biggest hurdles to getting things done in washington. you don't need the 60 votes in the senate. you bypass the ability of the majority in the house to keep things from coming to the floor. >> or amend it. >> yes, or amend it, no poison pills. no blocking it at all from coming to the floor. so if you just have six all of the sides and plus 1, you can really bring these to the floor and remember there's that sort of damaclese hanging above their heads. the idea of massive cuts across-the-board. >> but you're saying, norm, that all these people are close to their representative leaderships. you're n

senator harry reid picked max baucus, john kerry of massachusetts and patty murray of washington with senator murray at the co-chair. murray already drawing fire from republicans as her role in a lead democratic congressional fund-raiser, and if the political grumbling is already proving ominous, take a look at markets today enter nosedive territory just as these announcements rolled out. economic anxiety gripping both wall street and main street. with a new poll out today showing 73% of americans think the country is on the wrong track. and nearly half saying the worst is yet to come for our economy. the whole scenario just about sending msnbc's dylan ratigan over the edge. take a look. >> democrats aren't doing it. republicans are not doing it, and entire integrated system, financial system, trading system, taxing system that was created by both parties over a period of two decades is at work on our entire country right now, and we're sitting here arguing about whether we should do the $4 trillion plan that kicks the can down the road for the president for 2017 or burns the place to

co-chair, patty murray, has been announced by reid's office. she's the chair of the democratic senatorial campaign committee. and she's second in line on the senate budget committee, as well. she was believed to be a favorite for this spot. a front-runner, because she is seen as someone who will protect medicare and protect social security. reid's announcement also named max baucus, senator who was part of the deficit commission last year. but he voted against the final plan, which included scaling back medicare. the third member that reid has picked is senator john kerry. all of them expected to do their best to protect medicare, which is a big priority for the democrats. all the names are due in by next tuesday. three each will be selected by speaker boehner and the minority leaders, nancy pelosi and mitch mcdonald. >> thank you so much. >>> and this new so-called committee was a hot topic last night. lawrence o'donnell asked e.j. dion dionne, about what they bring to the table. >> his significance is that they can put revenue on the table. t

patti lee, ktvu news. >>> up next tonight, don't drink the water at least until you boil it. on the lingering problems in one peninsula town. >>> watch this video, this is incredible. and what is even more amazing is what this teenager was doing on those train tracks in the first place. >>> and a bit later, skateboarders are bummed. their favorite park wasn't just closed but demolished. >>> people in the coastal community of pescadero are under orders to boil their water for a third consecutive night. restaurant kitchens were idle today. the town's water pumps broke saturday night. it's now been fixed. tonight a test came back saying the water was clean, but a second test needs to confirm that it is safe to drink. >> we were super busy. before we opened we had a line of people waiting to get the bread and danishing. >> reporter: and now? >> nobody. >>> in news of the world tonight, palestinian militants are calling for a truce. the attacks and counter attacks all began last week when militants killed eight israelis on a bus. the truce is expected to go into effect tomorrow mo

patti lee is in san francisco on how the bill is changing the way people live. >> reporter: you can see pedestrians are getting a work out but not necessarily their wallet. for the first time in two years this june consumers have cut down on spending. a warning sign that the economy may be slowing. union square is packed with would be consumers like don carson an her mother who were too worried about the economy to spend freely. >> it's just killing, killing everyone in my family with how, how bad the stock market has gone down. >> reporter: the stock market's sharp decline was triggered by a series of weak economic reports. on income, poor earnings from companies and on consumer spending. >> today's drop was significant. over 2% in the mayor indexes and some of the indexes are negative for the year now which is the first time we've seen that in a while. >> reporter: money manager says with the debt deal down investors refocused on the economy and didn't like what they saw. >> i think that's what everybody is concerned about the potential for the double dip. >> great. >> reverse mortgag

patty murray is a businesswoman who understands the business community well. and was successful.is rich. so -- >> greg: he married rich. >> bob: something i would do if i had the opportunity. ja you don't like rich people. >> bob: i like democrat rich people. >> you like rich left wingers. >> greg: rich lab ares are different from rich republicans. they don't want you to get rich. >> bob: there is something to be say about that. but these are three good choices i think in this community, everybody is saying that the down and out on the committee. this committee is the last best chance to get ourselves a long-term debt relief program. >> greg: i disagree. just have another committee. have that committee create another committee. >> greg is right. this committee is manifestation of congress' inability to do what we pay it to do, make decisions. they couldn't decide so they gave it to committee. these are the three most liberal members of the senate. believe in central planning of the economy and that higher taxes on everybody. >> so you are saying you don't like the choice? >> max

patti lee is in san francisco on how the bill is changing the way people live. >> reporter: you can see pedestrians are getting a work out but not necessarily their wallet. for the first time in two years this june consumers have cut down on spending. a warning sign that the economy may be slowing. union square is packed with would be consumers like don carson an her mother who were too worried about the economy to spend freely. >> it's just killing, killing everyone in my family with how, how bad the stock market has gone down. >> reporter: the stock market's sharp decline was triggered by a series of weak economic reports. on income, poor earnings from companies and on consumer spending. >> today's drop was significant. over 2% in the mayor indexes and some of the indexes are negative for the year now which is the first time we've seen that in a while. >> reporter: money manager says with the debt deal down investors refocused on the economy and didn't like what they saw. >> i think that's what everybody is concerned about the potential for the double dip. >> great. >> reverse mortgag

patti lee, ktvu news. >>> up next tonight, don't drink the water at least until you boil it. update on the lingering problems in one peninsula town. >>> watch this video, this is incredible. and what is even more amazing is what this teenager was doing on those train tracks in the first place. ♪ ♪ free access to chase atm's wherever you are. that's a step forward. chase customers can avoid atm fees with over 16,000 nationwide. take a step forward and chase what matters. >>> people in the coastal community of pescadero are under orders to boil their water for a third consecutive night. restaurant kitchens were idle today. the town's water pumps broke saturday night. it's now been fixed. tonight a test came back saying the water was clean, but a second test needs to confirm that it is safe to drink. >> we were super busy. before we opened we had a line of people waiting to get the bread and danishing. >> reporter: and now? >> nobody. >>> in news of the world tonight, palestinian militants are calling for a truce. the attacks and counter attacks all began last week when militant

ktvu's patti lee now with opinions on what is moving the markets, patti. >> keeping interest rates low is simply maintaining the status quo. so one expert i talked to today says the implied promise of more drastic action down the line was the catalyst for today's big bounce. one day after its near death experience, the dow rebounded, but the volatility did little to soothe investors frayed nerves. >> you can't control what happens in the markets. you can't control what you do. when you are employed, when you have income you need to be saving. >> the sad thing is when customers are coming to me what safe, there isn't. >> reporter: a move some economists are questioning. >> you're locking yourself into a course of action when changing conditions may dictate something else. >> reporter: economists gary slosburg links the market rebound to the feds willingness to promote a stronger economy. >> what's more effective when growth is weak, when inflation is low and interest rates are already near zero short rates is to pump more money into the systems. >> reporter: still, no one knows when the

ktvu's patti lee now with opinions on what is moving the markets, patti. >> keeping interest rates low is simply maintaining the status quo. so one expert i talked to today says the implied promise of more drastic action down the line was the catalyst for today's big bounce. one day after its near death experience, the dow rebounded, but the volatility did little to soothe investors frayed nerves. >> you can't control what happens in the markets. you can't control what you do. when you are employed, when you have income you need to be saving. >> the sad thing is when customers are coming to me what safe, there isn't. >> reporter: a move some economists are questioning. >> you're locking yourself into a course of action when changing conditions may dictate something else. >> reporter: economists gary slosburg links the market rebound to the feds willingness to promote a stronger economy. >> what's more effective when growth is weak, when inflation is low and interest rates are already near zero short rates is to pump more money into the systems. >> reporter: still, no one knows when the

ktvu's patti lee has been talking to residents and community leaders and joins us now from oakland. >> reporter: patti. >> reporter: well there was smock and disappoint at shiloh church as you can see, the sign behind me pastors work closely and often with the community, but also with the police department to keep the violence from escalating. after years of trending in the other direction. just before midnight saturday on sunnyside street a 16-year- old boy was shot while standing outside. he was taken to the hospital where he died several hours later. then at 3:00 a.m., a 26-year- old woman was dropped off at alta bates summit medical center suffering from gunshot wounds and died shortly after arriving a. the 3:30 at 88th and g street a 27-year-old man was shot in the street and later died at the hospital. we talked to a nearby reporter who didn't want to be identified who woke up to the sound of gunfire. >> i didn't see who shot. i didn't come out of my house. i didn't want to see. >> reporter: we spoke it a pastor at shiloh church, part of a group of faith-based leaders who meet m

patty murray is the chair of the senate democrats on the committee. she is part of leadership in backing key will feel lot of discussion taking place between the caucus and those three folks. >> we had the bowles -some support which would increase tax revenue in the gang of six revenue sort of built on that with similar proposals. now you have president obama making the case recently on a daily basis that would be to compromise and have a balanced package. in his mind, a balanced package means cuts in entitlements and increases in tax revenues. is the president fundamentally wrong that that's where the middle is and where the compromise should be? >> i think most americans believe that in fact the president and the democrats have compromised far too much and of the republicans have given virtually nothing. you can correct me if i'm wrong. john boehner said after this package was passed that he got 90% of what he wanted. paul ryan said he got 75% of what he wanted. i did not hear any democrats talking about what they got. they did not get anything. the

in fairfield, patti lee, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> highway 140 between the portal entrance to yosemite national park remain closed due to the ever growing motor fire. the blaze has grown to 4,600 acres since it began thursdays afternoon when a motor home caught fire on the highway. more than 100 people have been ordered to leave the area with more evacuations possible. the fire is just 35% contained and officials warn it might not be completely under control until september 9th. yosemite does remain open as do highways 41 and 120 into the park. >>> facebook is shutting its facebook deals operation. it was the company's coupon business. facebook tested its deals program in eight markets including here in the bay area. the mobile app will remain in operation. >>> speculation tonight by analysts about apple's latest line of products. experts expect the iphone 5 and i pad to arrive in october. many believe the new iphone will be available for sprint customers. it will also include a longer battery life and a better camera. while the news came after job's announcement he was leaving the com

patty, looking at patty.nd i'm singing, and all of a sudden gone. and so -- i guess i was out for over like two minutes. and so i wake up and i go where are we? and somebody goes pittsburgh. and i said, but i know that. where are we in the show? and they went, you took the words out of my mouth. and i said, okay. and i turned to justin who played piano and i said start took the words. i didn't walk out on that either. >> you didn't. i commend you. but part of the problem is, i've seen you perform live. you are like a bat out of hell when you perform live. >> you know what? i take the stage as if it's going to be the last thing i ever do. and that's how i perform every night. every night. >> and you keep doing that with your body? do you think -- >> i don't know, we'll find out. >> is it maybe sending you a few messages here? slow down a little bit? >> yeah, probably have to slow down a little bit. but i do -- i go through -- i don't know if you've ever been in a locker room before a football game or baseball

republicans have come out, angry about patty murray's selection, and as you pointed out the president was involved, according to jay carney, with the collection from the democrats. >> well, one of the reasons why republicans are upset about the patty murray appointment is because she's also on the democratic senatorial campaign committee. a lot of people saying, look, that looks bad. she shouldn't be doing both. it's a conflict of interest. she should stop financing and raising money. jay carney today this is a little issue. she's sitting on a committee being charged with dealing with the massive deficit that we have here in the united states. he says it's a non-issue, that the president will not be calling for her to stop raising money or to step down from that committee. so that certainly is getting a lot of attention right now. pat toomey over on the republican side also getting some criticism, tamron. people saying that he's a tea party guy, that he won't be serious about tax reform here, but one more interesting note. dave camp who is on the house ways and means committee has bee

at candlestick point, patti lee, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> police are still looking for the man suspected in a vicious beating that took place inside a bathroom last saturday at candlestick and the suspect is described as a pacific islanders between 25-30 years old about 6'4" weighing up to 26 o0 pound ways goatee and ponytail. the violent a san rafael man has been recovering in a hospital. >>> wells fargo is making a large donation in gratitude to place police and security guard who helped to foil an east bay robbery. a security guard and pinole police officers respond to the armored car robbery in pinole. shots were exchanged before an officer shot one of the robbers dead. wells fargo announced a it will donate $10,000 to pinole police and another $10,000 to a non- profit charity chosen by the loomis gar. that guard and one of the officers were injured snootout and are recovering tonight. >>> support freddy daniels was charged yesterday in that roby and also faces murder charges for the killing of his brother, his suspected accomplish accomplice. vidjaw foods says it's classic premiere

patty murray the she is the incoming budget chair. what everyone is focussing on is he's the head of the democratic congressional senate campaign committee is in charge of candidates of protecting democratic incumbents and raising money for them. that was the controversy there. and of course, john kerry who wanted very much we understand to be on this committee and the finance chairman max bacchus. it's as john was pointing out, it's not really up to this committee. >> it's more up to the leadership. they'll be the surrogates on the committee. there are three things i think that need to be watched. first, is defense cuts versus revenues. i think the fact that the second round of cuts that were culled for by the default deal were cutting so deep in defense is going to confront republicans with choices that they might not want to make between you do you cut defense or increase revenues. there's another little noticed fact or phenomenon which is that health care costs in the last year or two have not grown at the pace that they have hist

patty and baucus, his close personal friend.ittee, baucus heads the finance committee and senator john kerry is the foreign relations committee. the components we need to look at is tax reform and defense cuts which is what kerry's there for. he's the one who could sort of provide some sort of cover for the party once it actually does cut into the defense budget. so those are the three elements that i took away from this. >> all right. >> fascinating stuff, obviously. >> yeah. >> he's like our mel kuiper, sam stein. >> so mel kuiper, what do you think about wisconsin? we didn't get around to you on the wisconsin battle last nate. are you surprised? >> am i mel kuiper now? yeah, i guess i'm a little surprised. you know, labor was very much invested in this, obviously. you know, of all the things to get them riled up, the stripping of collective bargaining rights probably was the best thing. you guys made valid points. this is a climate where everyone is basically worried about their own pocket books, about the stock market, the j

jon: patti ann, thank you.na: a massive new search underway now in aruba where police are coming the island for a -- combing the island for a trace of robin gardner, her traveling companion says robin was swept out to sea while they were snorkeling but a new witness may be poking hole necessary that story. phil keating is streaming listening from aruba. >> reporter: this witness tells police he was on his boat close enough to the shoreline where jerry giordano and robin gardner were walking. he told police he identified them, saw the woman, the blond with the tattoos and her companion and said they never snorkeling but they walked on the beach, got back into his car and drove off. police don't believe the drowning story, either. they thoroughly searched weaforts around aruba and never found a body that they say would have surfaced had robin gardner truly dr [ male announcer ] it's a fact: your nutritional needs can go up when you're on the road to recovery. proper nutrition can help you get back on your feet. t