(applause) ~ >>> hi, my name is patty chung [speaker not understood] i'm a city college counselor with city college of san francisco. i'd like to thank you for holding this hearing today. first of all, i want to let you know my dad attended college city college of san francisco in 1951. it was because of city college he was able to learn english, find a union job and support his family. if it wasn't for city college of san francisco, i don't know where i'd be right now. but i am a counselor with my advance degree so i am city college. the other -- i wasn't planning on speaking today, but i really wanted to get up here and share with you something that i found very distressful. i think it was like the second semester when our interim chancellor was at our college. it was a staff development day and all of us were called in to a huge auditorium and we had a speaker that sang the praises of university of phoenix. and we were told that we needed to offer more classes like them, online classes, putting more students so we could offer -- we serve more students by offering online classes. so,