put him up. >> i'm here. >> number one, i never believed patty hearst. that was complete b.s. >> she -- >> number two. no, you had your turn. number two, she was held by the symbionese liberation army -- >> that's right. >> -- for many, many weeks. this woman was held according to her for 24 hours. you're saying all this b.s., ray -- >> my point is don't jump to the automatic conclusion because you haven't heard all the facts, as usual. >> ray? >> yes, nancy. >> are you suggesting this is a real kidnap? >> i'm suggesting she may have some defenses that may -- >> i'm asking you, are you saying this is a real kidnap? >> i don't know the answer. as a defense lawyer i'm going to defend -- you asked me to defend her. i'm going to defend her. >> maybe you should listen to sue moss' rendition sue -- of the facts. >> well, i'd like to see sue do a defense. >> it has been absolutely unequivocally proven there was no kidnap. she was with her younger boyfriend the whole time. we have tapes of them having sex and laughing about the whole thing. this is not a kidnap.

put him up. >> i'm here. >> number one, i never believed patty hearst. that was complete b.s. >> she -- >> number two. no, you had your turn. number two, she was held by the symbionese liberation army -- >> that's right. >> -- for many, many weeks. this woman was held according to her for 24 hours. you're saying all this b.s., ray -- >> my point is don't jump to the automatic conclusion because you haven't heard all the facts, as usual. >> ray? >> yes, nancy. >> are you suggesting this is a real kidnap? >> i'm suggesting she may have some defenses that may -- >> i'm asking you, are you saying this is a real kidnap? >> i don't know the answer. as a defense lawyer i'm going to defend -- you asked me to defend her. i'm going to defend her. >> maybe you should listen to sue moss' rendition of the facts. sue, it has been absolutely unequivocally proven there was no kidnap. she was with her younger boyfriend the whole time. we have tapes of them having sex and laughing about the whole thing. this is not a kidnap. so to suggest that she said all this under dure

put him up. >> i'm here. >> number one, i never believed patty hearst. that was complete b.s. >> she -- >> number two. no, you had your turn. number two, she was held by the symbion lebanese army -- >> that's right. >> -- for many, many weeks. this woman was held according to her for 24 hours. you're saying all this b.s., ray -- >> my point is don't jump to the automatic conclusion because you haven't heard all the facts, as usual. >> ray? >> yes, nancy. >> are you suggesting this is a real kidnap? >> i'm suggesting she may have some defenses that may -- >> i'm asking you, are you saying this is a real kidnap? >> i don't know the answer. as a defense lawyer i'm going to defend -- you asked me to defend her. i'm going to defend her. >> maybe you should listen to sue moss's rendition of the facts. sue -- >> well, i'd like to see sue do a defense. >> it has been absolutely unequivocally proven there was no kidnap. she was with her younger boyfriend the whole time. we have tapes of them having sex and laughing about the whole thing. this is not a kidnap. so

put him up. >> i'm here. >> number one, i never believed patty hearst. that was complete b.s. >> she -- >> number two. no, you had your turn. number two, she was held by the symbion lebanese army -- >> that's right. >> -- for many, many weeks. this woman was held according to her for 24 hours. you're saying all this b.s., ray -- >> my point is don't jump to the automatic conclusion because you haven't heard all the facts, as usual. >> ray? >> yes, nancy. >> are you suggesting this is a real kidnap? >> i'm suggesting she may have some defenses that may -- >> i'm asking you, are you saying this is a real kidnap? >> i don't know the answer. as a defense lawyer i'm going to defend -- you asked me to defend her. i'm going to defend her. >> maybe you should listen to sue moss' rendition sue -- of the facts. >> well, i'd like to see sue do a defense. >> it has been absolutely unequivocally proven there was no kidnap. she was with her younger boyfriend the whole time. we have tapes of them having sex and laughing about the whole thing. this is not a kidnap. so t