what patty murray and the president are asking, all right, everyone, let's walk towards that cliff. they're willing to keep walking until republicans finally say fine, i think we'll do something about it. i hope they're not going to chicken out. it's impossible to think of a solution. i don't know what it is -- the thing also grover norquist won't be relevant anymore. it's never been relevant. i just hope it will be the end of that pledge entirely. >> it may break it. >> thank you broet for joining me tonight. >>> it turns out women did have a legitimate way to shut down that whole thing. an historic night for women candidates. and soul searching, if there are souls in the republican party, over how to fix their demographic disaster, if they can fix it. that's coming up. now, here's one that will make you feel alive. meet the five-passenger ford c-max hybrid. c-max says ha. c-max says wheeee. which is what you get, don't you see? cause c-max has lots more horsepower than prius v, a hybrid that c-max also bests in mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. i wish my pat

some democrats, not all, patty murray bursaries is in washington. the republicans -- trying piece together a deal more to their liking. in other words, if the scope clip could be done for them. >> isn't good for them.

. >> governor, we're going to have senator patty murray on the show in just a few minutes. in terms of getting this done, what do you think the president needs at this point? does he have all the arrows that he needs to get the tax cuts extended for the middle class and to expire for the upper income? >> he does if he's willing to use them. the part of this, the danger in this appeal, is that sometimes the president's going to have to go back to the same people that he's gining up here and saying you're going to take it a hit. the only way we will get this done. look, i think republicans are softening on increasing revenue, maybe voting for rates but only do it with significant spending cuts, particularly entitlements. it's going to be a quid pro quo. patty murray has to understand that, chuck schumer, all of our progressives and our party has to understand that. he has to make it work. only the president can do that. he has to use some of his arrows on his base. we don't have to get every democratic vote but we have to get more democrats to vote for this than republicans i

liz cut the baby in half you know you've got to go in and kind of you kind of posture and so patty murray did today when she came up and said you know there's we'll go to brinksmanship if we have to great so the republicans have said the same thing in the past so that kind of gives you space to kind of come in and work somewhere down the middle it's your position you're the only the only difference though is if you go in to buy a used car the used car salesman has not signed a pledge to a multimillionaire k. street lobbyists saying that he will not sell that car for under or over a certain set of really important point when the only option is yes or no this is the only path to victory then there's many many more paths to failure so the same way that. the pledge is a problem you know this kind of the automatic spending cuts are a problem that if there is that you have to take them or leave them we've got to get out of that mindset we've got to just democrats republicans both have to agree the spending cuts will be drastically would be disaster and we can't have them so we've got to just ki

senator patty murray, who is chairwoman of the dnc. understand you don't want to do that job again. >> i have other responsibilities, yes. >> we will wait to see who comes next. senator murray, thanks for coming on this morning. >> thank you. >>> and we have some breaking news that we let you know of during the bottom banner, but house minority leader nancy pelosi is once again going to run for leader. again the official announcement is at 10:00 this morning. she is running once again. it means the leadership will be exactly the same. not just the partisan breakdowns of the house, the senate and the presidency, the exact same people are in the room for each party. harry reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner, nancy pelosi, president obama. market rundown is next plus our daily rundown of undecided races including which democrat is being vetted on the hill though his race isn't officially over. first today's trivia question. who is the only speaker of the house to be elected president? [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. in what world do potat

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poor patty murray. the senator from washington state. look at this.ocrats beseech murray to take the job. nobody wants to be set up for failure. nobody wants to take on a job at which they are almost guaranteed to fail. and in 2010, the job of trying to secure democratic control of the senate in this year's election, seemed like a completely impossible prospect. look at this. democrats face an extremely tough map in 2012. the democrats must defend 23 seats while just ten republicans are up for re-election. no way, right? odds totally stacked against the democrats. no way democrats can hold the senate under those circumstances. that is how it looked when poor patty murray had to be beseeched into taking that job. it's not how it turned out. >> when harry asked me to take this on, there was not one, and i mean, no one who gave us a chance of keeping the majority. we played offense every day and we never let up and now joe donnelly and tammy baldwin and tim kaine, elizabeth warren, chris murphy, maizie orowno, they're all coming to join us in the senate.

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this from patty murray.s is that taxing the wealthy is essentially more important than taxing the budget. now coming of the senate doesn't have any track record of passing budgets. am i the only person who is shocked by this? >> no. we can consult recent history to understand we haven't had a budget and more than three years , and that taxing the wealthy is one one of the things the democrats think what'll solve the problem. you're talking about $80 billion a year. $800 billion over 10 years. when you are trying to fill a hole that is $1.4 trillion, more or less of a the deficit. the math just doesn't work. you can also go back and make a simple point that this is going to cost jobs. if we raise taxes on the wealthy, you're talking about the congressional budget offi. just the tech sites on the wealthy are going to cost up to 200,000 jobs. ernst & young said that it will cost 700,000 jobs. is this a time that we actually want to be costing jobs and the economy struggling to regain footing? gerri: some people

and this time if the republicans try to be obstructionists, i agree with patti murray. it's not a fiscal cliff. it's a slope. people shouldn't have to panic. let it go over and come back with a new proposal that has tax cuts for those under $250,000. >> let me see that shirt again. what does that say? >> steel blitz for barack. >> i thought maybe you were giving up your day job and trying out for the steelers. >> i wouldn't make the first cut. >> good to have you with us. >>> next the conspiracy theorists are out over the resignation of cia director david petraeus. richard wolffe will weigh in on that. >>> and the republicans try to revamp their message on immigration reform. they want to turn protesters into supporters. find out why they could be making a huge mistake. stay with us. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." the fallout continues over the resignation of former cia director general petraeus. petraeus stepped down citing an extramarital affair. an investigation began over the summer when jill kelley, a petraeus family friend, contacted the agency after receiving

>> well, when you talk about senator patty murray, she suggests that.f we get a better deal by going off a cliff, at least for the first two months, that is something we should look at doing if we don't get our preferred strategy and tax rates. beginning to see that with democrats as well. the president has not explicitly said that. is the president's willing to actually do that. we have a lot of negotiating at of us. we have this section at the white house where the four top congressional leaders will meet. it don't really expect anything to come out of that. neil: the speaker, mcconnell, harry reid, nancy pelosi. >> one congressional aide told me, it sounds like this early in the process, believe it not, talking about early in the process even though the fiscal cliff to six weeks away, probably get a lot of nodding to my throat clearing, declarations about what we have heard of the last week which is a reiteration of the same position. by the way, congress is not in next week. neil: by the way, is this a lunch? >> this is a bronze, i think. neil: food

let's turn to saxby chambliss and patty murray. thank you for joining us. senator chambliss, when did you first find out about this investigation of general petraeus and what were you told? >> well, i was not told about it until friday. you know, the intelligence community became aware of it on tuesday. actually, late afternoon on tuesday. and then, by the time it sifted through the appropriate channels, through the white house, we were told on friday. >> so, you know, one of your colleagues congressman peter king, chairman of homeland security in the house, had an only goigs to the white house and inform the relative authorities earlier, do you agree with that? >> well, listen, david petraeus is a great leader. a great patriot. and he's a guy who has probably contributed more to the safety of the united states of america over the last decade than any single individual and he's a good leader. and what leaders do, when they're put in a difficult position is, they lead. and he led here by doing what he thought was the right thing. and i think he did do the ri

joining me is the chair of the democratic senatorial committee, washington state senator patty murray. congratulations are in order. everyone is saying you recruited the women, a lot of other good candidates, got a lot of luck because a little bit of luck at least because of those two republican male candidates who really offended a lot of people with their comments on rape. but the wins were there for the democrats. >> well, i think a lot of good things came together and the most important thing is really good people said they would run from joe donnelly in indiana to tim kaine in virginia to all the great women you mentioned including heidi heiden camp who's going to win and what their common base was that they wanted to come together to help our country work, to make sure we move forward in a positive direction and that is a great message out of the wins across the board, is the democratic party has said this country needs to work every step of the way. they do that and we can all move forward. >> now, when we think back to some of the women's issues, issues of concern to people wi

catch one of the key players in the fiscal cliff negotiations right here on "now" when senator patty murray us tomorrow at noon eastern. >>> and coming up after their romney nominee received just over a quarter of the latino vote republicans say they're ready to put up when it comes to comprehensive immigration reform. what are they doing about it? so far putting up a lot of window dressing. the display when telemundo's jose diaz-balart joins us ahead. want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it! now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attention. which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand the difference that quality time with our members can make... that's a very nice cake! ohh! [ giggles ] [ male announcer ] humana thanks the physicians, nurses, hospitals, pharmacists and other health professionals who helped us achieve the highest average star rating among national medicare companies... and become the first and only national medicare advantage company to achieve a

you showed the clip of patty murray saying as a negotiating ploy go off the cliff.ve you another theory. for 40 years the democratic party's activist base has had two goals, substantial tax increases and substantial tax cuts. going off the cliff implements the democratic party's agenda. >> well, do you think it would be so bad to gocliff. >> i think it would be mildly chaotic. >> just mildly? >> this is a gigantic country. this country can absorb lots of mistakes. we test that theory regularly in our history. i don't think you should negotiate out of fear. i don't think you should have people say, oh, we have a gun at your head. the american people are faced with a flawed system. i agree with george will. the fact is we're two mandates, not one. there's a mandate for the president and for the house republicans and should the house republicans consider some revenues? maybe but i watch reagan get taken to the cleaners. i watched george h.w. bush get taken to the cleaners. give us the taxes and we will present someday give you some spending cuts is not an appealing thi

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to get patty murray to do that and she did it.to the senate and redefined the idea of a woman in the senate. that sort of concept that you didn't need in every respect and i don't want to be stereotypical here, full on brassy person, you could be sort of a more familiar looking suburban type person, a woman and be in the senate and be effective. she's highly effective on the fund-raising, recruitment and strategic approach to these races. i would say from a completely nonpartisan point of view, you have to look at what she did what was placed upon her the burden of this. the reluctance to take it. >> absolutely right. she had just come off an incredibly difficult re-election that we were working with her so closely on and so she was just dragging. >> yes. >> to take this on. you mentioned when she came in, it's hard to believe this. i think about just stunning. she came in and what was called the year of the woman in 1992. she was one of the four women at that time who came into the united states for women who came into the united

senator patti murray of washington state is one of them. she says negotiations should focus far more on raising tax revenue than cutting spending. republicans are calling democrats like you "thelma and louise" democrats because you've expressed a willingness to go off the fiscal cliff. >> i'm willing to take a very tough stand and say to those on the other side that we are not going to accept an unfair deal that hurts middle-class america today and protect the wealthiest americans. period. >> reporter: in the house, at least 42 liberal democrats have signed on to a bill requiring that any deal aimed at staving off the fiscal cliff contain no medicare, medicaid, and social security benefit cuts. it puts them at odds with the president who has said everything should be on the table, including entitlements, senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. >> we want to save these programs and i understand the dilemma the president and the majority leader have. their hard left doesn't want to change anything ever. >> reporter: but the top senate democ

patty murray is up for that seat. we say she is the favorite, and i agree. i do think there is a possibility she does not take it. last time i talk to her people but they told me that she had not made a decision yet. you have to realize, when she took the dscc job back in 2010 when harry reid twisted her arm, almost breaking it, to take the job, she basically got him to get her the veterans affairs panel. and this has been a pet issue of hers for her entire career. she is so committed to veterans issues that i am a little skeptical about whether or not she would want to give that up and do a thankless job like budget committee chairman -- jeff sessions will tell you until he is blue in the face -- democrats have not done a budget in about three years. unless there is a real commitment on the part of harry reid to do a budget in the next year, if he really wants to be serious about that, i don't know what decision she ends up making. >> she did not have too much fun chairing the super committee. >> this is the other thing. she often takes on these think was j

patty murray is up for that seat, and here we see that she's the favorite for it, and i agree.but i do think that there is a possibility that she doesn't take it. and the last time i talked to her people, they told me that, um, that she hadn't made a decision yet. now, you've got to realize when she took the dscc job back in 2010 when harry reid twisted her arm, almost break it to take that job, she basically got him to get her the veterans affairs panel, and this has been a pet issue of hers for her entire career. she is so committed the to veterans' issues that i, i'm a little skeptical about whether or not she would want to give that up and do a thankless job like budget committee chairman. as jeff sessions will tell you until he's blue in the face, democrats have not done a budget for about three years. so, you know, unless a real commitment on the part of harry reid to do a budget in the next year and he really wants to be serious about that, i don't know what decision she ends up making. >> she didn't have too much fun chairing the supercommittee. >> are well, that's the

patty murray is up for that seat. we say she is the favorite, and i agree. i do think there is a possibility she does not take it. last time i talk to her people but they told me that she had not made a decision yet. you have to realize, when she took the dscc job back in 2010 when harry reid twisted her arm, almost breaking it, to take the job, she basically got him to get her the veterans affairs panel. and this has been a pet issue of hers for her entire career. she is so committed to veterans issues that i am a little skeptical about whether or not she would want to give that up and do a thankless job like budget committee chairman -- jeff sessions will tell you until he is blue in the face -- democrats have not done a budget in about three years. unless there is a real commitment on the part of harry reid to do a budget in the next year, if he really wants to be serious about that, i don't know what decision she ends up making. >> she did not have too much fun sharing the seubert committee. >> this is the other thing. she often takes on these think was

lou: senator patty murray, wants to be the chair of the senate budget committee but of dollars that she cannot commit to actually passing a budget. what are we doing with your? >> we are dealing with a bunch of adolescents in the united states senate who don't leave. the congressional budget office is very clear. it is the law of the la he'd have to pass a budget. harry reid hasn't passed a budget and over three years. lou: oh, please, you're just being unrealistic in their expectations. [laughter] human traditions, you are values that our lawmakers to actually follow the law. is that too much to ask? we have had trillion dollar deficits for the last four years. they are protecting the trillion dollar deficits for the next four years. lou: when we come back and i want to talk to you about benghazi, petraeus, and the degree to which we should expect anyone to pay attention to what would be the impact if the president has his way on taxes and thhouse republican leadership paid-in and simply accede to his wishes without concerning themselves with the consequences. we will be right back wit

some democrats, not all, patty murray bursaries is in washington.he republicans -- trying to piece together a deal more to their liking. in other words, if the scope clip could be done for them. >> isn't good for them. he tells his people that tere's gog to have to be an insurance of entitlement reform to go along with revenue increases. now, you may not be seeing it, because it's very hard the way the president does this negotiation. for that to come out and for people to understand that. but it is going on. it is going on today. the speaker of the house revealed that there is a way to bridge the gap between phase one and phase two. phase one being a small package that gets rid of things and the big package, there is a way that we have iivented at the bipartisan policy center. we are very proud ofit. it is an accelerated regulatory process. it is a good and exciting thing that we think will work. so i'm going to keep pushing. have done it for 2.5 years. everything is on the table, mr. president. neil: senator, it better be on the table. one of the