mark: when i was about 20 years old, my father and i visited a center by the name of paul alan greenspan -- paul agsalt. every day congress meets we lose a little bit of our liberty. it wasn't supposed to be that way. the american people largely do not like politicians. the american people largely do not like congress, and all the polls come through, congress rates it very low, but it seems like when there's a problem, there's a big percentage of the american people on health care or housing or gun laws or what have you, they immediately say government should do something, they don't trust the bureaucracy, don't trust washington, don't trust congress, but government should do something, how do you explain that paradox? >> i think there's the temptation among all humans to want to live at the expense of somebody else. that is, the american people, and it's sad to say this, is that the american people love to live at the expense of somebody else. that is, whether it be farmers, they want the farm subsidies, poor people, food stamps, business bailouts. let's say the case of a farmer, if the