let me introduce our moderator, paul anderson, professor emeritus for 25 years, correct? >> 21, 22, somewhere in that area. >> his book a short history of the american civil war was published in 2019. you guys have a teacher-student relationship way back. author today is robert elder of baylor university. his book on the american south, his first book was sacred mirror, i worked on this before hand. the sacred mirror, 1790-1860, phd from the mori university and two degrees, liz and shelley, thank you for being here, thank you all for attending and i will leave you to it. >> thank you for that introduction. i am pretty sure it is colder if that is possible colder today than charleston, south carolina or where some folks are who are joining us, a chance to say hello. >> everyone who is on the call, thanks to paul for running the show here. it is a very wintry evening. so far the internet is working. i'm looking forward to it. before we get started. this is coming full circle. 21 years ago, in paul anderson's classes at clemson, jefferson jackson and calhoun class that i fir

it's crazy, anderson, that fight or justice, i've been fighting for justice within minneapolis, minnesota for ten years. and i was at another event for a person who was killed by the st. paulolice, and i was getting calls from my uncles and everybody who was in the general vicinity and said another boy has been shot. so i rushed over there immediately, not knowing it was daunte. and i seen his mother, and i was thinking oh, she looks familiar, but i was just saying how could this happen? no justice, no peace. who is in charge right now? and then all of the kids from edison started messaging me and saying you know that's daunte who you used to hang out with at the school and mentor and help. and mason, do you know what is going on? i was trying to tell them and it hit me and my heart was in my stomach and i was like this is daunte wright and it made me sick instantly when i found out. >> had you had conversations with him about police? i believe we have a transmission -- we're having some transmission issues. we'll try to get jonathan mason back. perspective from our law enforcement team, andrew mccabe, former d.c. police chief charles ramsey. currently teaches at drexel un