and to you, paul batista. you're saying you haven't met her, so you don't know what the defense is going to be. it's always insanity. come on, tell the truth. you've got eric peterson, the neighbor, she tries to run him down. he got a good look at her. the victim lived. i'm sure she regrets that, the perpetrator regrets that. everybody saw her. she has nowhere to go. so her defense cannot be not guilty unless it's not guilty by reason of insanity. >> well, nancy, obviously any competent lawyer who finally meets this client is going to have to really explore that defense. and it may be the only defense. >> put him back up on the screen. >> but it depends on what she is really like. >> she is really like? a kidnapper and a would-be murderer. that's what she's really like. >> the fact that it's a heinous crime does not mean necessarily, nancy, that she's insane within the meaning of the law. it has to be evaluated. >> you know what? you know what? i know that. i'm worried that you don't know that. but thank you f

and to you, paul batista. you're saying you haven't met her, so you don't know what the defense is going to be. it's always insanity. come on, tell the truth. you've got eric peterson, the neighbor, she tries to run him down. he got a good look at her. the victim lived. i'm sure she regrets that, the perpetrator regrets that. everybody saw her. she has nowhere to go. so her defense cannot be not guilty unless it's not guilty by reason of insanity. >> well, nancy, obviously any competent lawyer who finally meets this client is going to have to really explore that defense. and it may be the only defense. >> put him back up on the screen. >> but it depends on what she is really like. >> she is really like? a kidnapper and a would-be murderer. that's what she's really like. >> the fact that it's a heinous crime does not mean necessarily, nancy, that she's insane within the meaning of the law. it has to be evaluated. >> you know what? i know that. i'm worried that you don't know that. but thank you for clearing tha

and to you, paul batista. you're saying you haven't met her, so you don't know what the defense is going to be. it's always insanity. come on, tell the truth. you've got eric peterson, the neighbor, she tries to run him down. he got a good look at her. the victim lived. i'm sure she regrets that, the perpetrator regrets that. everybody saw her. she has nowhere to go. so her defense cannot be not guilty unless it's not guilty by reason of insanity. >> well, nancy, obviously any competent lawyer who finally meets this client is going to have to really explore that defense. and it may be the only defense. >> put him back up on the screen. >> but it depends on what she is really like. >> she is really like? a kidnapper and a would-be murderer. that's what she's really like. >> the fact that it's a heinous crime does not mean necessarily, nancy, that she's insane within the meaning of the law. it has to be evaluated. >> you know what? you know what? i know that. i'm worried that you don't know that. but thank you f

paul batista. okay. d how they are now saying, hey, sheriff -- you need investigation. >> what they are saying, mike, is that the sheriff violated a specific colorado statute that keeps these secret. michael, it's a lot about nothing in connection with this particular aspect of this story. >> no kidding. what else is he going to say? he's facing charges of felony, contributing to the delinquency of a minor. felony. attempted to influence the actions of a public servant. conspiracy, which is a misdemeanor in false reporting. penny, how is he going to defend himself now that we know and his wife has flipped on him? >> well, his wife signed an affidavit. she's never been cross examined. i don't know much about the wife. i've heard the ex-wife on this show. the new wife is more of a pleaser individual. we don't know if she signed the affidavit just to get out of there. i would like to cross examine her to find out if what she said on the show is true. as to the sheriff, he's not allowed to break the law just

paul batista. okay. d how they are now saying, hey, sheriff -- you need investigation. >> what they are saying, mike, is that the sheriff violated a specific colorado statute that keeps these secret. michael, it's a lot about nothing in connection with this particular aspect of this story. >> no kidding. what else is he going to say? he's facing charges of felony, contributing to the delinquency of a minor. felony. attempted to influence the actions of a public servant. conspiracy, which is a misdemeanor in false reporting. penny, how is he going to defend himself now that we know and his wife has flipped on him? >> well, his wife signed an affidavit. she's never been cross examined. i don't know much about the wife. i've heard the ex-wife on this show. the new wife is more of a pleaser individual. we don't know if she signed the affidavit just to get out of there. i would like to cross examine her to find out if what she said on the show is true. as to the sheriff, he's not allowed to break the law just