bern. want real change? caucus february 1. bernie sanders. oh, and take the folks with you. >> come on, that's good. >> it's good. it reminds me of this is what ron paul was doing in 2008. >> rand tried to do. >> yeah, rand tried to do, he hasn't been able to do that, but yeah, that kind of energy, and it's worked so far. he's gotten big crowds, but i think ron paul got big crowds as well in 2008, but those crowds didn't vote. they didn't show up. they were attracted to the kind of faddish and trendy nature of ron paul. and in some ways it's the similar thing with sanders. the other thing, if you talk to people at these rallies, you go to these rallies, they like hillary clinton, you know. and before, in 2008, there was a lot more division, i think, between the obama supporters and the clinton supporters. so i think -- >> are you talking about the sanders rallies? >> yeah. >> interesting. >> they like clinton -- some of them were with clinton before and they'd be perfectly fine with a clinton. >> part of me wonders if hillary would have the enthusiasm that she has right now with her voters, if bernie sanders wasn't giving her a run for her money. and