joining us live, one of my favorite people to talk with at any time, paul bracken, professor of localence and business at yale university. great to see you. >> great to be here. lou: lester with if we may, alan, certainly in the business for china. this government with espionage activity against the united states and our allies. >> there's a lot going on behind the scenes that had not been reported even by the wall street journal, financial times. that is, u.s. is moving a lot of it's r&d research what used to be in china, they are moving it out. it is for intellectual property protection and also because they do not think the business environment will be a good environment. for the next couple of years. oracle just shut down a big r&d center there and there like one of the you know, it is really important cutting edge technology. this will hurt the chinese for sure. but i think american, i teach about multinational corporation. you have to look at what they do. not what they say. what they are doing is withdrawing from china. on a number of fronts. lou: and under the rubric of moving