i worked with i was an advisor to the ministry of defense which was being newly recreated after paul bremer disbanded it and which is a big big issue. and the insurgency of course that followed the invasion and the iraqis i work with would say to me they did they'd say mr mike that's you know everybody's called mr and then their first name oh you know we understand that mr bush wants to fight the war on terrorism but why did he have to pick iraq to do it and that they really did say that to me that's not making that up and when they would ask me that question i honestly i didn't know what to say to him i didn't really have an answer it was a very legitimate question and then of course you know after go ahead please now that the u.s. troops are out of iraq i just want to ask you about how civilians have been treated there increasingly full of victims of terror attacks the question is should those troops a stayed great hindsight question but do you think they should have stayed on alt. well see. we had no plan after after action plan after the invasion. you know people have written about it i

iraq trying to build, you know, some kind of a government there, i mean, i remember the heat that paul bremeren the coalition provisional authority was there, and everybody said, you know, give it to the iraqi, met them do it themselves. would the media tolerate that? >> well, look, jon, there's a different history here when you talk about japan and germany. you had two elements there. you had hero worship of the emperor here here toe as kind of a demigod and in germany, of course, you had the nazis who came in and hijacked a revolution and all of that business out of world war i and being disgraced according to hitler and the rest. so at least you had some kind of history before that in those two countries. in the middle east, let's not forget these boundaries were largely drawn by churchill and other post-world war ii leaders. many of those countries had not really existed as they exist today in history. so there is nothing, no real history to draw upon to rebuild anything. you're really not rebuilding something, you're trying to build something from scratch. and in nations and among people

and i talked about this with paul bremer.american civilian tapped to run iraq in the early 2003. ambassador bremer vividly remembers the day he arrived there. the invasion was over, but the trouble was just beginning. >> it was chaotic. i remember looking down from the c-130 as we prepared to land in baghdad airport, and the city was on fire. we could see buildings on fire all throughout the ground below us, as we drove into town, we could see looters out in the streets. >> in retrospect, given the scope and size of the issues that we faced so quickly, did we know what we were getting into? >> i'm a civilian side, you can argue that the civilian plans were written on a bunch of assumptions that turned out not to be true. they thought that there was the same kind of post-war situation there had been in 1991. it didn't turn out right. so the civilian plans were sort of based on the wrong assumptions. military plans were based on the idea that we could get in and get out quickly. and indeed it was unrealistic. so did we, did we

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