joining me with more on this is paul butler. paul, i know -- let me, first of all, play a snippet of the interview with juror number four. she was asked about the racial component to this trial. >> for a lot of folk in america they would say white man shoots and kills a 17-year-old black boy. how could it not be about race on some sflefl. >> sitting in that room it was never presented that way. we looked at it as a bad situation where teenagers were together and words were spoken and lines were crossed. >> she says it was never presented that way. and you say that's a fault of the prosecutor. >> look, when you have a case where you have a black teenaged male victim and a white male middle-aged defendant and the fight is over loud rap music, it's all about race. and the prosecutor ignored that at her peril. at the george zimmerman trial, some of the jurors said they identified more with zimmerman, the defendant, than they did with trayvon martin, the victim. i think we had a sense of that here. you have to humanize the victim, esp

joining me now are former prosecutors faith jenkins and paul butler. for being here. >> thank you. >> good to be here. >> faith, how do you think the three young men did today in their testimony? >> reverend, i thought they presented themselves very well. they're all relatively young men. they experienced something very traumatic by seeing their friend shot and killed right before their very eyes, assy said in the suv that night. and they came into court today and they told their side of the story. now the defense here is trying to play these kids up that they were some kind of thugs and threatening and had a gun in the car, and then they present themselves today and they just came across as very young and sort of just telling exactly what happened, how it was, and what struck me, one of the witnesses said today, one of those young men said the first time he ever saw a real gun in real life was when michael dunn, the defendant, pulled out his and pointed it at their suv. >> now, when you have the gun charge or the accusation of a gun being alleged by t

. >> joining me now is paul butler, law professor at georgetown university law center. rmer federal prosecutor with the u.s. justice department where he specialized in public corruption. paul, thanks for joining us. so let's start with this. this caught me by surprise when i saw the news last night that christie's team, it's not just that they wanted to interview dawn zimmer, themselves. it's not just that they wanted to look at her diaries. they also wanted her correspok r correspondence with "the new york times." my read on that, sounds like kate zerneke, that's an attempt to have a chilling effect on the media, perhaps, and on public officials like dawn zimmer who might want to come forward. is that's what's going on here. >> it could be, but the fact is the lawyer can ask for all these documents, but there's no obligation for the mayor to turn them over. it's really the prosecutor who's running this show. he's got this extraordinary subpoena power. so he can on behalf of the grand jury get any documents he wants. but with these other witnesses, and christie's lawyer,

i'm joined by paul butler, a former federal prosecutor and bert ross, the former mayor of f ft. lee. thanks to you both for joining me. bert, i want to start with you and talk a little bit about christie, the prosecutor. i think one of the things we learned in this "new republic" piece is that he very wisely figured out to use carrots and sticks, if you will, in the negotiations on various cases he was working on. does that surprise you? >> well, it did come as a revelation. i, like a lot of people, thought he spoke with straight tongue. what we're finding is that he's a fraud. his entire image self-created was of a reform are and he's anything but. he looks more and more like a machine politician unfortunately. >> new jersey politics, let's be honest, has something of a reputation. you as being pretty tough and you yourself have had your own experiences with it. is that a function of just kind of the new jersey political machine or is this chris christie kind of taking it to a new level? >> i don't think he's taking it to a new level. my father used to work for a company in jer

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on facebook, we posted a portion of our recent interview with georgetown university law center's paul butler. >> if you listen to hip-hop, you are reminded there are two and a half million people locked up. you can watch all these reality shows about real housewives and all these movies about vampires and the hobbits and you'll never know we lock up more people in the united states than any country in the history of the world. >> you can watch this entire interview at booktv.org. we tweeted an article about hb244, a recently introduced maryland bill on ebook pricing in libraries, and on facebook, we added some pictures to our booktv behind the scenes. >> here's a look at in upcoming took -- book fairs around the country. the back fair in pasadena, california. featuring the collection office -- collections of book sellers. and savannah book philosophy, and author programs, including gabrielsenman for his biograph of original ailes, and john rizzo's account of his tenure at the agency. check out our web site, booktv.org for the complete schedule. then on march 15th and 16th 16th look for bookt