. >> woodruff: so paul butler, does this mean the prosecutor would have had to present to the justice department, present to the judge evidence, whatever evidence there was, tht something was wrong, that either a crime was committed or could be about to be commitmented? >> yeah. so reportedly they said that mr. cohen is a subje of the grand jury investigation, which means that he has not forlly been charged with a crime, but he's undersseri investigation. and so they'd have to make that showing. then they have tot esablish how they're protecting attorney-client pre.ivil usually it's done by one set of investigators and prosecutors who are called the tank team or irty team. so they actually conduct the investigation. they go in, they seize the documents, and then they review them. they remove the prileged document, and then they turn it over to a clean team. that's a separate set of investigators who actually pursue the case >> woodruff: but just to back up a moment, mark zaid, michael cohen and his attorney have been saying, well, we've been cooperating fully with the investigation wi

paul butler, mark zaid, we thank you. >> thank you. >> great to be here. >> woodruff: in the wake of the school shooting in parkland, florida, that left 17 students and edutors dead, there is a growing effort to make sure schools are better protected.ho suchings are actually rare, statistically speaking. the chance a student will die at school from murder or suicide is karly one in two million. but school officiaw they have to plan for the worst, and are under increasing pressure to add physical securitmeasures and armed staff. correspondent lisa stark of our partner "education week" reports from san antonio, texas, for this week's segment onak g the grade." >> reporter: it's a typical day at harlan high, on the outskirts of san antonio-- a bustling lunchom, a.p. classes, sports teams working out. cut just like every other day, sety cameras, classroom fis that lock from inside, armed ofrs keeping watch, and a single open entrance inton the sprabuilding. >> i mean, we don't live in mayberry anymore. >> reporter: officer shane allard oeevesafety and security for the northside independe

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former federal prosecutor, paul butler. krystal ball, president of the people's project, robert selly. so back when you were at doj, how high does it go? >> you have to go to the attorney general or deputy attorney general. this is a search warrant on steroids. the president's lawyer, his own personal lawyer, who on thursday he's referring reporters to is now the target of a search raid, which means that the investigators do not trust this man. they're concerned that if they just issue a subpoena for the documents, he's going to take out the paper shredder. so, again, another gangster move by special counsel robert mueller. he follows the investigation, lets the investigation go whatever the leads take him. >> you're saying this is not white-collar or kid gloeves. this is going after it like you would go after any other criminal enterprise? >> yes, and that's constantly been his method. and i think the comparison to manafort has been exactly right. middle of the night, no-knock search warrant. mueller does not trust these g

barbara res, paul butler and jill winebanks are back with me. saying somebody is a drugged out loser. roger stone says in the "new york times" trump goes out of his way to treat michael cohen like garbage, a quote from there. for years trump treated mr. cohen poorly with gratuitous insults, dismissive statements and at least twice threats of being fired according to interviews with a half dozen people familiar with their relationship. does that sound like the way donald trump treated people in his organization? >> absolutely. his own employees. but not all of them, not all of us, i should say. but if he sensed a weakness, he would just hone in on it and he would jump on you. and if you took it, that was, to him, the license to do whatever he wanted. he was really insulting, terribly -- in front of other people and mean, and he did threaten to fire people, he never would fire them because they were doing their jobs. >> there's a statement, donald trump is first avenue, his loyalty only goes one way. we were talking about how he demands absolute l

paul butler is a former federal prosecutor. shannon pettypiece, a white house reporter for bloomberg. jennifer ruben. we've got a great first line here. let me talk starting with michael across the room there, across this panorama that seems like one room. it's a couple of rooms. first of all, your comment from what you just heard from matt at the post? >> well, this is this interesting thing that has hung over the administration for over a year now. what does the president really want to do with sessions and rosenstein? wanted to get rid of sessions when mueller was appointed. has talked about getting rid of rosenstein. has talked about mueller. the president has put an enormous amount of time and effort into these questions, and ultimately he hasn't done anything, which is interesting. he's gone ahead and done things with rex tillerson. he's cleaned out his veterans affairs secretary. but on the justice department, he understands how big of an issue it would be if he were to do something there, and clearly sessions here sendi

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let's go to paul butler. the blockbuster article. pushed from the headlines.h the organization. the location was selected to provide an alternative explanation in case the rendezvous was exposed according to sources. and further, those mentioned and other attendees disclosed how deniable cash payments were to be made to hackers in europe who worked for the campaign. cash payments rings an alarm in my head because cohen seems to be the guy that pays the people that in trump's way. if it's proved that they were raising cash payments to obscure the hacking into hillary clinton and the dnc, do we have a case for collusion? >> you bet we do, joy. i've never been to prague. but edge says it's beautiful. so why would michael cohen lie about going there unless he has something to hide. so bit by bit, we're seeing the allegation of the dossier substantiated. now we know that the allegation is there's a hacking of e-mail. that's a felony. we know that the russians were helping. if that's true, that's an illegal campaign contribution. cohen is trump's consigliere. the fi

one of the comments that struck me was paul butler in your hour when he said to you what happened today was like a subpoena on steroids. >> yes, there's so much going on. it's easy to forget the context of what just happened. fbi agents busted down the door of donald trump, the sitting president's, long-time lawyer and sitting executive, there's an old occasion, kicking the door, you don't want to be on the other side of the door, it's happened twice in the entire probe. when it happened to paul manafort, 96 days later he was indicted. every other individual, from sean spicer, sam nunberg who had subpoenas, they get requested, give us documents, e-mails or a grand jury subpoena. no one else, except manafort who's indicted and now today michael cohen had his door kicked in. it's a huge deal period. you add to the extra bar when you're dealing with a lawyer instead of a civilian. >> your interpretation of what the president said today when he got down to that conversation, which was really a conversation with him, about should i fire robert mueller? >> the phrasing is wrong because donald

paul butler, former u.s. attorney. ken ken dilanian. this is hot stuff. i mean this pretending she was an intermediary, sort of i bring you guys together, i'm a kuchcu. it turns out she's working for the kremlin and delivering promised dirt on hillary in exchange for us easing the economic sanctions. how does this fit into the context of collusion between trump and the russians? >> it's always been a fiction that she was a private attorney. in the book i did with mike isikoff, we note she used to tell people she had fsb connections. fsb is the security service of moscow. she was -- i mean this all began because basically the prosecutor general, the attorney general of russia sent a message to trump's business partner in miss universe, an oligarch, to trump's campaign -- actually to his son that russia wants to help you. we have a secret plan to help you. we're going to give you dirt on hillary. and the real significance here is that donald trump jr., jared kushner, and paul manafort said, bring it on. they signaled they were willing to conspire with a sec

contributors, david corn, the author of a great new book, "russian roulette," jane wine banks, paul butler as well as ken dilanian right here. dave, you just got into chicago. glad you could make the show tonight. this is hot stuff. this pretense that she was an intermediary, you know, i'm a cupid, turns out she's working for the kremlin in delivering promised dirt on hillary in exchange for us easing the economic sanctions. your thought? how does this fit into the context of collusion between trump and the russians? >> it's always been a fiction that she was a private attorney. in the book i did, we noted that she used to tell people she had fsb connections. this all began because basically, the prosecutor general, the attorney general of russia, sent a message to trump's business partner and miss universe of an oligarch to trump's campaign, to his -- actually, to his son that russia wants to help you. we have a secret plan to help you, we're going to give you dirt on hillary. and the real significance here is that donald trump jr., jared kushner and paul manafort said, bring it on. they

attorney, former senior fbi official and contributor, and paul butler, msnbc legal analyst. what do you make of huckabee sanders saying is obviously speaking for the president he has the right it out fire mueller, the man investigating him? >> it's front of minds for the president and i think the president. >> it's what? front of mind? >> this is something that he has talked about for almost a year now. since the day mueller was appointed. you now have this incredibly aggressive move. i think sometimes in this era, we get numb to what's going on. the justice department got a judge to sign off on this to go in to the president's lawyer's office to take these documents. that is -- they have to have a real reason to do that. this is not just sending out a subpoena to satisfy there wasn't a crime or asking someone questions in an interview. it's going to the heart of the things that donald trump has said he's most concerned about. this red line that he put up with mueller. >> and heidi, good to see you. here's the question. why they afraid he was destroying property and evidence

with us at the table, paul butler, former federal prosecutor, now a georgetown law professor and msnbc legal analyst. zer lean thn zerlena maxwell, former clinton campaign adviser, now with sirius xm. charlie sykes. and jonathan lemire, white house reporter for the associated press. every one of you an msnbc contributor. thank god for us. let me start with you on these two big sort of chunks of what is now public, but obviously was known and perhaps something you assumed for a long time. bob mueller is not freelancing. he was given direction from deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and we know a little bit more about the scope of that investigation, but it specifically included getting to the bottom of whether or not paul manafort colluded with russia. >> yeah. so manafort's defense has been to attack the special counsel, mueller. his defense has been, you're indicting me for a real estate transactions in brooklyn, dude, i thought you were supposed to be focused on russian collusion. what mueller responded is that's exactly what i'm focused on and your real estate transactions and y

chris paul throws the ball away. jimmy butler takes a two for some reason. and missed.on winning 104-101 to go up 1-0 in the series. harden with the beard and all. >> lebron james had his hands full with lance stephenson. he was amped. head butted the padding on the basket after a dunk. >> stephenson was like, "is this your king"? you may remember this meme with him blowing into lebron's ear. but the pacers would have the last laugh, sending lebron running to the locker room before the game even ended. cleveland stunned, 98-80. >> wow. at the end of regulation in boston, things got interesting with the celtics' terry rozier shaking his defender and landing this three pointer with less than a second left. and the miracle three just before the buzzer! that ties the game. in overtime, the celtics hung on. they won their first game of the series. >> meantime, on the ice. >> the penguins scored twice in five seconds. check out the one-timer followed by crosby's assist. penguins win 5-1 and lead the series, 2-1. >> they've been keeping track of that record. >> 53 years. >> ou

paul throw the ball away. eight seconds left to tie with a 3. butler does not have to do this. he is open at the top.e throws up a prayer that will not go. the rockets hang on to win. game 2 is wednesday. is >> westbrook and the thunder hosted at the jazz. the jazz stayed with them most of the way, but with no answer o'casey takes it away. westbrook had 29 points, 13 rebounds, 8 assists. final seconds of the third quarter. paul drawers -- paul george said no problem. he beat the buzzer. the thunder take a game one. game 2 is wednesday. >> lebron james hosting the pacers. lance stephenson with a powerful jama. that is 2 of his 12 points. more of the same in the second half. collison gives it up. he led indiana with 32. the pacers win. that series continues wednesday and cleaved in. >> milwaukee and boston. 10 seconds left. the celtics inbound with a tie game. putting on a move and stepping back. have a second left. the box have a slim chance to tie. middle -- middleton beats the buzzer. he does get the ball often time. they headed to overtime. tied at 99. in overtime the celtics outscore the box. tatu