troubles me because it's not just people who fled but we have had lots of evidence that, in fact, paul cagamy has his hand in the troubles, in the congo for the last 20 years and what is shocking is that the death of 800,000, a million rwandans but 5 million have died in the congo. a and, also, he enjoys the support of the west. now, he just had a spat with the french because the french supported the government that committed the genocide. he is having the same kind of support our dictator kind of relationship. so many of us here think that a major lesson to learn from the rwandan genocide is that powerful countries known to dictate to support democrats in africa. president obama said that. >> jason, you heard our survivor of the genocide, ian morley, you heard our survivor talking about how everyone understands there are still many, many murderers walking the streets of the country. what was the purpose of the process that you participated in? to get the big guys? just get enough of the little guys to have people see that justice was done? was it symbolic? was it specific? take us back to th