and television came along when they saw what paul carner was doing in birmingham, alabama, people wentidn't know that really happened in america." >> trevor: right. >> now today, everybody-- not only should cops be wearing body cams. everybody has a bodyical. everybody has a cell phone. the last words of george floyd, "i can't breathe," they would have been cons qesh, but if they had not seen him take his last breath, none of this would have been nearly as consequential. because people are now saying, "my god. did you see that?" it's one of those inflection points. >> trevor: it really does feel like an inflection point and it is one that is difficult for many americans to navigate. most americans agree there is a problem in policing between police and the black community and even many poor white communities. this is something we know what we look at interactions between police and the american people. you have come out in favor of police reform, you know. but what does that actually mean? because some people think that you cannot reform an institution that is fundamentally rotten in t