my mentor was paul cobb. he is still around. >> yes. he is full of rich history as well. >> yes, he is. >> he is able to needs hi publishing's in the post. >> yes. i'm glad to hear that background. you continue to atu d? >> yes. a part of worship. >> 'ta paledthe purposeyenot for t job.ver ends., again, when god you to it, i wanted a specific call. once i was confirmed that god was calling me as a pastor i said yes. >> this past sunday you went from 8 am l abpm? haepe.buit wa that is true, even in ministry, you have to find what you love. >> what is your staff like? >> i have a multi-staff church. we have 60 lay ministers and staff ministers. we're going to be building out more staff in the future. >> you didn't baptize? >> i did not. >> it was deacons and clergy. when you have a large staff you want to give them opportunities to be able to exercise their gifts. that preserves you as well. i didn't want to preach and baptize as well. it gives them opportunity. the same thing with communion. a lot of associates lead with that. >> what ab