so when we look at rwanda, we worry that the strong arm of paul cocagamy is causes problems in the congo. he has a spot with one of the strongest countries. he was suspected of killing disidents here that this kind of price -- unquibly he has made progress and brought stability. but history shows the price is too high and it can collapse. it has done so in yugoslavia picture. >> peter fom? how about that? when the west looks at the great lakes region in east africa, does it see a friend in paul cogamy who is a reliable friend and good for his country? >> i think we have to put rwanda and the greater region in context. 20 years ago, rwanda was the epitome of a failed state. there were judgments that weren't viable as a nation going forward because of population density as well as the genocide. in 20 years, we have had great economic growth. the country has pulled itself together. as you mentioned a, ray, it's one of the safest, most orderly capitols in africa. on the other hand, there are concerns and i think friends of rwanda are -- should freely express those concerns about the politica

so when we look at rwanda, we worry that the strong arm of paul cocagamy is causes problems in the congo. he has a spot with one of the strongest countries. he was suspected of killing disidents here that this kind of price -- unquibly he has made progress and brought stability. but history shows the price is too high and it can collapse. it has done so in yugoslavia picture. >> peter fom? how about that? when the west looks at the great lakes region in east africa, does it see a friend in paul cogamy who is a reliable friend and good for his country? >> i think we have to put rwanda and the greater region in context. 20 years ago, rwanda was the epitome of a failed state. there were judgments that weren't viable as a nation going forward because of population density as well as the genocide. in 20 years, we have had great economic growth. the country has pulled itself together. as you mentioned a, ray, it's one of the safest, most orderly capitols in africa. on the other hand, there are concerns and i think friends of rwanda are -- should freely express those concerns about the politica