you mentioned earlier on in the program, nee that paul cocamy is feted but he has pulled the country back together. where do you draw the line between stability and safety, which rwanda has today and democracy, which you also want for countries. >> absolutely. i think that the judgment has to be made that democracy ought to come first because it is the process by which you make sure you have legitimate leaders but we also have a record, not just in africa. i mean we mentioned our friend in london mentioned yugoslavia. the way we read the history is if you sacrifice democracy for the sake of safety and stability, it clearly shows that it lasts only a little while and it blows up. so when we look at rwanda, we worry that the strong arm of paul cocagamy is causes problems in the congo. he has a spot with one of the strongest countries. he was suspected of killing disidents here that this kind of price -- unquibly he has made progress and brought stability. but history shows the price is too high and it can collapse. it has done so in yugoslavia picture. >> peter fom? how about that? whe

you mentioned earlier on in the program, nee that paul cocamy is feted but he has pulled the country back together. where do you draw the line between stability and safety, which rwanda has today and democracy, which you also want for countries. >> absolutely. i think that the judgment has to be made that democracy ought to come first because it is the process by which you make sure you have legitimate leaders but we also have a record, not just in africa. i mean we mentioned our friend in london mentioned yugoslavia. the way we read the history is if you sacrifice democracy for the sake of safety and stability, it clearly shows that it lasts only a little while and it blows up. so when we look at rwanda, we worry that the strong arm of paul cocagamy is causes problems in the congo. he has a spot with one of the strongest countries. he was suspected of killing disidents here that this kind of price -- unquibly he has made progress and brought stability. but history shows the price is too high and it can collapse. it has done so in yugoslavia picture. >> peter fom? how about that? whe