when the west looks at the great lakes region in east africa, does it see a friend in paul cogamy who is a reliable friend and good for his country? >> i think we have to put rwanda and the greater region in context. 20 years ago, rwanda was the epitome of a failed state. there were judgments that weren't viable as a nation going forward because of population density as well as the genocide. in 20 years, we have had great economic growth. the country has pulled itself together. as you mentioned a, ray, it's one of the safest, most orderly capitols in africa. on the other hand, there are concerns and i think friends of rwanda are -- should freely express those concerns about the political space within the country. the room for dissent, the room for social expression but we have to take in context, in rwanda aid dollars can be tracked on line. there are governance contracts that every government official has to meet performance metrics or he or she loses their jobs. next door in the democratic republic of congo, we have billions of dollars being lost, unaccountability. so, it's not just

when the west looks at the great lakes region in east africa, does it see a friend in paul cogamy who is a reliable friend and good for his country? >> i think we have to put rwanda and the greater region in context. 20 years ago, rwanda was the epitome of a failed state. there were judgments that weren't viable as a nation going forward because of population density as well as the genocide. in 20 years, we have had great economic growth. the country has pulled itself together. as you mentioned a, ray, it's one of the safest, most orderly capitols in africa. on the other hand, there are concerns and i think friends of rwanda are -- should freely express those concerns about the political space within the country. the room for dissent, the room for social expression but we have to take in context, in rwanda aid dollars can be tracked on line. there are governance contracts that every government official has to meet performance metrics or he or she loses their jobs. next door in the democratic republic of congo, we have billions of dollars being lost, unaccountability. so, it's not just