paul connelly of the tcc group. has foundation funding risen -- did it fall in the recession? what has happened for media coverage? >> foundation funding over the past four years has increased. it has been about $140 million of investment according to do research. we have also seen changes in the type of donor and founder. more individuals, such as wealthy donors starting propublica. there is another website, spotus, which collects donations to shed light on journalism. so it is not just the night foundation, mccormick foundation, but founders who are interested in democracy, civic engagement, such as open society institute, community foundations. they are supporting a similar project in san diego. so the pool of the founders and donors has expanded. >> some good news on the first row. [laughter] craig aaron, i saw you cringe a little bit when we said the most we support government funding. so what do you support? >> i think the government has a role to play. i do not think they are the only answer. whatever we do, the government will be part of the answer. we need to end this