paul embery, your thoughts ? nope. paul embery, your thoughts?ok, i don't think protesters should have gone to southport on that evening, to a town in grief and certainly shouldn't have a lot of them was from there. well, some of them were, but some of them weren't, and they certainly shouldn't have carried out the violence that some of them did. that's indefensible and needs to be condemned in the strongest terms . condemned in the strongest terms. but it is totally lazy just to dismiss people the whole time as as being far right. it is now the go to label to attack any kind of working class rebellion. frankly, not that that that defends some of the actions that we've seen. i think you do need to call people out and condemn them where they inflict violence on on people's property and on other innocent human beings , but other innocent human beings, but it isn't good enough to dismiss people as just saying you're from the far right. bbc verify published an article today, no less, and even they said and i tweeted it earlier. even they said in that

>> paul embery economic insecurity has caused it, immigration levels, a lack of integration in some of these communities, a fear of crime, increase in in a lot of these communities. and this is a simmering resentment that has been boiling for years. and anyone who knows working class communities and comes from working class communities, i think all three of us do, in fact, actually hold that thought, because i did just mention belfast. >> before we get stuck into , the >> before we get stuck into, the calmness of the streets of england, let's just cross live to belfast. our reporter dougie beattie is there as we speak. good evening dougie, what's happening there ? happening there? >> well, we have two protests, one pro—immigration, one anti—immigration. it must be said that the pro side, full of civil servants, is much , much civil servants, is much, much larger than this , this larger than this, this anti—immigration side. and i'm actually joined by a man who gave his all for country. paras dunng gave his all for country. paras during the falklands war. and you are really trying to ge

ben habib of reform uk and paul embery, trade unionist and author. right. ad you're here, paul, because this does take a little bit of explaining the government's joy at striking a pay government's joy at striking a pay deal with the aslef union and bringing an end to further strike action has been, frankly, very short lived. not only have train drivers at lner now announced a fresh set of strikes, but ministers have been accused of prioritising unions over pensioners and a fresh row could also be brewing, with the rmt union after general secretary mick lynch threatened fresh industrial action if his members do not get the exact same pay deal as aslef. so let's just remind ourselves what transport secretary louise haigh said. just yesterday became transport secretary. >> i said we'd move fast and fix things and that's exactly what we're doing. i'm delighted that we're doing. i'm delighted that we have put forward a three year pay we have put forward a three year pay deal so that drivers across our railways can vote on it, and hopefully bring an end to over t

you heard there from paul embery. is he is he right?ensible solution and brings to an end this difficult relations between the government, the tory government and trade unions just to tackle something he said very quickly. >> he said that the trade unions had to fight tooth and nail to get any concessions from the starmer government. i think something like a 20% pay rise to junior doctors over two years is a pretty big concession right off the bat. what's the part of this , act that labour is seeking this, act that labour is seeking to ignore immediately its minimum service requirements ? minimum service requirements? those are in industries that if they strike, they could cripple britain. right. we're talking about ambulance services , fire about ambulance services, fire trucks. we're talking about the railways. we're talking about doctors and teachers. and we saw how they crippled britain last year , the it's a very dangerous year, the it's a very dangerous gamble for a government to start scrapping these things. labour is doing it be

you heard there from paul embery. is he is he right?sensible solution and brings to an end this difficult relations between the government, the tory government and trade unions just to tackle something he said very quickly. >> he said that the trade unions had to fight tooth and nail to get any concessions from the starmer government. i think something like a 20% pay rise to junior doctors over two years is a pretty big concession right off the bat. what's the part of this , act that labour is seeking this, act that labour is seeking to ignore immediately its minimum service requirements ? minimum service requirements? those are in industries that if they strike, they could cripple britain. right. we're talking about ambulance services , fire about ambulance services, fire trucks. we're talking about the railways. we're talking about doctors and teachers. and we saw how they crippled britain last year , the it's a very dangerous year, the it's a very dangerous gamble for a government to start scrapping these things. labour is doing it b

he's also on the left politically, trade unionist, of course, and paul embery tweeted the following,roblem. britain has a problem with a dominant liberal class that for years ignored legitimate mainstream concerns over economic injustice, crime and immigration and is now experiencing the blowback. does he have a point? no. >> i mean, there is a far right. it is organised. it's organising in different ways than the ones we've seen in the past. you know, people are sort of blaming this on the edl. the adl doesn't exist in in any sort of form. we would recognise, but there are these networks around , these networks around, conspiracy theories around anti—immigrant, anti—muslim . anti—immigrant, anti—muslim. >> but is it comparable to is it comparable to the threat of islamic extremism, and is it comparable to those other more prosaic issues like getting a roof over your head, illegal immigration and other other issues? >>i issues? >> i think in terms of the security issues, it is comparable in the sense that, you know, our streets are aflame and there are people smashing up police cars.

he's also on the left politically, trade unionist, of course, and paul embery tweeted the following,roblem. britain has a problem with a dominant liberal class that for years ignored legitimate mainstream concerns over economic injustice, crime and immigration and is now experiencing the blowback. does he have a point? no. >> i mean, there is a far right. it is organised. it's organising in different ways than the ones we've seen in the past. you know, people are sort of blaming this on the edl. the adl doesn't exist in in any sort of form. we would recognise, but there are these networks around , these networks around, conspiracy theories around anti—immigrant, anti—muslim . anti—immigrant, anti—muslim. >> but is it comparable to is it comparable to the threat of islamic extremism, and is it comparable to those other more prosaic issues like getting a roof over your head, illegal immigration and other other issues? >>i issues? >> i think in terms of the security issues, it is comparable in the sense that, you know, our streets are aflame and there are people smashing up police cars.