now i'm joined tonight by paul embery, a labour supporting trade unionist. paul, what is going on?flocking to nigel farage and reform? what's your view? >> well good evening matt. i mean, the truth is the old if you like, industrial working class element of the labour party has been hollowing out of the party for about the last 30 years. i don't think that's anything new, particularly because the party has gradually become a party for the professional and managerial classes. i say that as a member of the labour party and a trade unionist, and largely a party for people living in our fashionable cities and our university towns, and i think people in what you might call small town britain, post—industrial britain, britain beyond the m25, increasingly britain, you might say, well, quite an increasingly found it hard to identify with the labour party. and they started shifting their votes elsewhere or in many cases, as you know, matt just stopped voting altogether. and the truth is that today there is a massive cultural disconnect, i think, between large elements of the labour party, p

you've got in touch and said, where's paul embery? it's friday.u fallen out with him, michelle? no, janet, i've not fallen out with him. i'm such a mild mannered, non—controversial figure. i never fall out with anyone. he's off, i think working on his suntan needs to get a bit of colour into his cheeks, i think so he'll be back in a few weeks. worry not. i definitely haven't had a fallout. you know the drill. there's much we need to discuss tonight, and you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. you can email gb views @gbnews. com you can go to twitter or x, or of course you can go to the website gbnews.com/yoursay. you can talk to me and to each other. what a treat. look, i do just want to touch on donald trump though. of course, you've just been hearing in the headlines there he's not going to prison. some people are absolutely delighted by that. other people are absolutely devastated. where are you, charlie downs? >> well, i think that the kind of political persecution of donald trump is well, it is political in nature. i think america ha