if i'm representing one of the target defendants, i want to know if it's too late for me to get paul fishmantting a deal. the problem is my good friend paul pointed out, there are little fish and big fish. and as anybody who has watched an episode of "law and order" recognizes, the first people to the courthouse to get paul fishman on the cell phone are the ones to walk with the best deal. i agree with paul, this is an amazing story because this investigation makes electing a new pope look transparent. >> in terms of cutting a deal, is there potentially one of the motives here if a federal prosecutor is leaking this -- i don't know, if that's where this is coming from, would there be a motive to try to get the reaction you're talking about, to get people to come in and start making deals? >> yeah, i certainly think at this point paul fishman, again, this is not his first raodeo, knows this investigation is about to reach critical mass. any time a story like this leaks, you're absolutely right, there may be some back channel movement to see, who, if anybody, is ready to come in and debrief. >

attorney there, paul fishman.aul fishman, according to the report by brian thompson, is acting. things are going to happen here. >> yeah, it's funny. when there was a week in june when the committee announced this big list of people they wanted to call, and there were people i was talking to, sort of quietly, who were maybe under a little bit of a legal cloud. and within a very short period of time, the committee was instructed, please don't call these people. and a whole bunch of sources who reported as covering the story were talking to them, all went quiet. and all happened almost in the same window. >> governor christie has said there was never a culture of retribution. here he is denying the whole -- what i would consider what you'd expect to see here. here it is. >> the allegation that somehow this was a culture that was created, just doesn't have any basis in fact. >> it mystifies me, on every level, why this was done. >> i'm disappointed in myself that i didn't look closer, that i trusted too much. >> you

. >> paul fishman is expected to file multiple charges in the federal investigation into the george washingtonres. also according to wnbc one is telling friends of an expected indictment. today, a committee released its interim report on the lane closures to the public. >> laws were protectionly broken. bridget kelly's instruction to christina rinna to delete an e-mail may have violated the witness tampering statutes in new jersey. similarly, 12 text messages exchanged between the governor and a top administration official during the testimony of port authority officials before an assembly committee were apparently deleted by both parties. >> the 136-page report finds that david wildstein implemented the lane closures giving time for traffic problems. the report also finds, quote, at present, there is no conclusive evidence as to whether governor chris christie was or was not aware of the lane closures, either in advance of their implementation or contemporaneously after they were occurring, nor is there conclusive evidence as to whether governor christi did or did not have involvement in impl

the question as you approach criminal justice issues was stated as well as anyone has by paul fishman in the earlier panel in which he said the mission of u.s. attorneys, and indeed the mission of the system, is to provide for a safe civil society. and the question is not whether there are too many people in prison, or not enough people in prison, or whether the laws are too harsh or the laws are too lean. the real question is what works. and we got into a situation certainly rhetorically and politically where the question of what works and the mission that paul discussed this morning became subsidiary to the smaller missions of the various groups and politicians and constituencies involved. and we formed right on crime because we thought it was time for people, regardless of their political orientation or their ideological direction or stance, to start looking at these problems realistically because the system clearly is not working when the united states becomes the premier jailer of the entire world, where 1 in 100 adults are serving time or have served time in a penal institution,