and we go to paul graham and paul graham gives us a couple pieces of advice that changed our business forever. the first thing he said to us was, he said brian, it's better to have 100 people that love you than a million people that just sort of like you. find 100 people that love you. and i think that's the challenge most supreme when they try to start businesses is they imagine intellectually finding how many of these million people love my product but almost all great products in history start with a core base of people and the good news is you can do things that do not scale. so you can start with just a few people and do things that large companies can't do. and so joe and i started going to new york and joe and i literally went door to door meeting every one of our hosts and we basically -- i like to say when you bought an iphone steve jobs didn't sleep on your couch but we did. >> rose: all the people that were engaged in renting their homes here in new york you'd go see every one of them? >> yes. and when we visited them we'd get new insights. >> rose: like? >> well, we'd hear

this is all see and some ahead for you in the paul graham amid kidnappings of foreign journalists by our fighters in syria also has maria for a notion of goes deep into rebel held territory and speaks to the free syrian army brigade stay tuned for that purport is coming up after this short break. it's a quick fix for a long and increasingly intoxicating addiction the u.s. may have avoided but it keeps dragging the world into an ever deeper desktop is it still possible to break this vicious cycle. is real journalism a thing of the past in much of the western world in the name of security challenging the official media message of the elites is often met with serious threats and reprisals whistleblowers are damaged and made to feel severe consequences what remains is a deafening echo chamber warning all to get in line or else. this is the weekly on our c welcome back in syria so side of bombing at a nonet checkpoint has claimed the lives of at least assertive people in the central city of hama state media reported at a truck loaded with explosives around the post and detonated the damag

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graham fenwick jones, ladies and gentlemen. wow, that's-- i mean... >> pauln't it. >> dave: yeah. a guy like that -- a few minutes with a guy like that and you really feel stupid, don't you? >> paul: yeah. >> dave: oh, my gosh. ladies and gentlemen, here it is the top ten list for tonight. the category tonight: non- essential government agencies. this is what we were talking about. non-essential government agencies. if congress doesn't pass a new spending bill by october 1, non-essential government agencies and personnel from shut down. so you're asking yourself what is non-essential?" we have that for you here tonight. the top ten non-essential government agencies. so listen for your office, your position, your job. ( laughter ) this may be valuable. here we go. >> dave: there you go, ladies and gentlemen! ♪ ♪ you know, when we have graham fenwick jones is it my imagination or can you actually smell gin? ( laughter ) we'll be right back with steve martin, everybody. the gulf, bp had two big goals: help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we coul

paul krugman. welcome to all of you. peggy, let me begin with you, senator graham didn't sugar-coat it all, they're ruining both institutions. yet, there doesn't seem to be a way out? >> yeah, it's fascinating that nobody seems to know where this thing goes and how it ends. i mean, it is a crisis, normally people have a sense of it. i think lindsey graham was very correct when he said we all be better off and the republicans will be better off when this particular shutdown ends. i think, look, people don't like these things. they like it when government works. both parties suffer when stuff like this happens. but the essential point that nobody knows where this goes is the great mystery of this battle. >> and we're getting so close, paul krugman. and republicans do seem to be trying to negotiate, led by mitch mcconnell. >> first of all, i think it's important, it's not exactly october 17th. if we wake up thursday morning and they haven't defaulted yet, that was a false alarm. >> it could hurt before october 17th. >> yeah, probably not. it probably runs -- it may well run a few more days. but the point is, thi is very close.

i see the conservative room and the rand pauls, the marco rubios as the future of the party, not the john mccains, the lindsey graham'so a certain extent mitch mcconnell, peter king. those guys for me are the past. those are the ones who are, they pretend to be in to smaller government, and the rule of law, and i just think there's a rift and i'm not sure that it's always the far right taking the shot at dissenters. sometimes it's the other way around. king calling ted cruz and rand paul wacko birds and it goes on and on and on. for me, where do i want to hang my hat? who do i want to -- which horse do i want to saddle up? i'll take the young guns, the rand paul. >> i want to hear -- >> rand paul and ted cruz over there. >> isn't what eric saying kind of dangerous? he's saying i'd rather be with the principal people. you didn't say you want to win, you just want to be with the right people. >> we're not winning with the -- republicans. >> would you rather have 30 u.s. senators that are republicans, or claim to be in the republican party in the united states senate or 45? and if the answer is 30 and you have president

graham. alex, you first. >> oh, i think they're going to probably be all right. paul has a point.rybody's mad at washington. but that is the point. they're mad at both the democrats and the republicans. it's not going to be so much a wave, i think, against incumbents, as it's going to be a wave where people who say they're outsiders and want to change washington are going to be running against people they label as insiders, who want more of the status quo. so even if you've been in washington for 100 years, you know, longer than methuzela, it may be their jobs survive. >> it could be people are just angry at congress as a whole. you saw the polling. if that's the case, you know, what can democrats do, or maybe republicans that matter, too, even though you're mostly a democratic strategy, donna, what can folks do, what do they say to their constituents to hold onto their jobs? what are we likely to see from some members of congress in. >> first of all, i think every member of congress, house and senate, should go out to try to earn the people's trust, earn their respect. >> how do

in the negative, alexander, ayatt, fisher, flake, graham, grassley, ho hoeve hoeven, inhofe, johnson of wisconsin, lee, mcconnell, maran, murkowski, pauls, rubio, scott, toomey, wicker. mr. hatch, mr. hatch, no. mr. keyesia, mr. keyesia, no. mr. barroso, mr. barroso, no. mr. shelby, mr. shelby, no. mr. sessions, mr. sessions, no. mrs. shaheen, mrs. shaheen, aye. mr. blunt, mr. blunt, no. >> all right, we're going to step away from the drama in the senate chamber. and continue our conversations with chuck conesburg, he was an assistant director of the white house office of management during the '95 shutdown. in listening to all what is going on this morning, does it feel the same in '95? does it feel worse? how do you characterize this? >> well, 1995 was pretty bad. it was the longest shutdown in u.s. history, lasted for three weeks. this one, this one feels that it could be as bad, because of the level of gridlock that is currently in place right now. >> roger simon from politico, he just said this feels different from '95 because he said that legislators are meaner. i mean, there is no -- there is no cooperation between the two sides

graham and, you know, lamar alexander. i mean they are still going to play in these primaries. >> in pretty clear terms she was doing that. perry, patty murray met with paul roin and all the budget committee chairs. they have already ruled out a deal with new tax revenues and large scale changes to medicare, medicaid and social security. instead they're looking at a more modest confidence-building measure to replace the sequestration cuts in 2014. but when you look at super committees, they don't have a high success rate here as of late. is this time any different? >> i don't think it will be in terms of like big changes. like you said, richard, in terms of medicare, social security, raising taxes, the things that would be sort of a big grand bargain that president obama was talking about a couple of years ago, i think those things are unlikely to happen. what you're looking for is more can the sequester be changed in some ways to where it's less painful for military cuts the republicans don't like or domestic spending cuts the democrats don't like. that's where the range is much more narrow than it would have been before. an i think there can be some kin

paul and sunny, thank you for joining us this morning. >> i want to take you now back to washington. republican senator lindsey grahamt on the obama administration for the handling of last year's benghazi terror attack and the aftermath. he's threatening to block all president nominations before the senate until survivors of the attack testify before the congress. take a listen. >> but foregod's sake, let the house have a select committee where you get three or four committees together to look at this situation as one unit rather than stove piping. and where are the survivors? 14 months later, the survivors, the people who su survived the attack in benghazi has not been made available. i'm going to block every appointment in the united states senate until the survivors are being made available to congress. i'm tired of hearing from people on tv and reading about stuff in books chld we need to get to the bottom of this. >> let me give you context here. those comments from lindy graham came a day after a new "60 minutes" report where eyewitnesses described warning signs that they saw leading up to it. one, a former bri

learning from martha graham and any number of people, and for pearl and for mary lou williams it's a place like cafÉ society, the nightclub where at any given night langston hughes and paulobison and eleanor roosevelt might be in the audience. but i think it's also important to note where these women create their own spaces. so mary lou williams also creates a space in her apartment which becomes one of the most important salons for the development of bee pop music. so she -- bee bop music. she opens up her home for that kind of activity. what happens to them, i mean, i think one of the lessons of this period again is that these sites come under assault. i mean, they don't just disappear or grow out of fashion with as the decade gets more conservative and we get the kind of anti-communist fervor that comes at the end of the '40s and the early '50s, there is an assault on places like the people's voice and on places like cafÉ society. and so those venues fold, and when they fold, you know, you no longer have those kinds of spaces to nurture the voices in the way that they would have in the earlier part of the decade. >> thinking about today's finish. [inaudible] and i'm a