. >> 11-year-old paul hartness is trapped, sandwiched between two huge boulders in a crack just a fews wide. >> oh, poor kid. jesus. >> rescuer tom jones quickly understands the thing the boy needs to do to survive, keep breathing, is the very thing putting him in more danger. >> he was sliding farther and farther down into the crevice. with every breath he took, obviously, if the chest cannot expand you suffocate. >> rescuers can talk to him, even touch him, but they can't get him out. they know if they don't act fast they will watch this child die before their very own eyes. >> i'm trying but it hurts. >> the first thing we did was build rigging below him just to make sure he didn't slip down any farther. >> next, tom smith with the l.a. county sheriff's department is able to slip a rope around paul from above and he starts pulling. >> i was pulling on him so hard that i couldn't believe it. it should have lifted someone twice his size. >> is it doing anything? >> no. >> paul is wedged in so tight rescuers worry if they pull too hard they will yank an arm right out of its socket. >>

this is c-span's "communicators "program, our guest is michael paul, served -- powell, served as chairman of the fcc from 2001 to 2005. kim hart with politico, senior technology reporter, is our guest reporter. >> host: thank you. the fcc spent most of the fall dealing with the universal service reform which ncta was pretty involved in and put a lot of input into that proceeding. one of the biggest proceedings that the cable industry had was the so-called right of first refusal provision, that was part of that which you thought gave an unfair advantage to incumbent phone providers rather than cable providers in being able to receive a subsidy to build out their broadband networks. talk about how you see that really affecting cable's interests in these rural areas where it's hard to reach, and is this something that you see small cable companies potentially suing the fcc over? is it that big of a deal for you? >> you know, cable's very proud to say that, you know, we've been through three or four cycles of the government's newfound infatuation with competition over natural monopoly, right? if you think about it, for 100 years i