chairperson hayon: hur: the majy think paul henderon should come in. michael hennessey was on the list so i do not think there is a dispute about him. acting sheriff vicki hennessey. >> we can't compel a retired sheriff to give us the declaration. the point is to play at the duties of what a sheriff does and we can get that just as easily so we can drop michael hennessey. you can just use in vi -- vicki hennessey. >> we would want to submit a declaration from michael hennessey probably addressing different points. one would be the fact that many, many deputy sheriffs have suffered criminal convictions during his tenure and that was not -- does not seem to be official misconduct. that is one point i do not think the mayor intends to introduce. the retired sheriff may be able to offer other pieces of fact information that would help the commission in reaching its decision. we have not obtained one but we think we can obtain one from him. >> you indicate in your witness list that you expect him to testify about communications which i could see coming in.