i was a prosecutor actually with paul henderson 10 years ago in the d.a.'s office. at that time, it was often very difficult to excite police officers to investigate graffiti incidents. it was difficult to want to work up these cases. it was difficult to convince judges that these are serious crimes. and frankly, it was difficult to convince juries that folks who committed crimes of graffiti ought to spend some time. i think all that has changed in recent years, as you will soon hear about, and i want to thank our law enforcement friends for doing that. i also know that part of the solution to this problem lies at the board of supervisors, and i want to suggest that if any of you have creative ideas, that you let your elected officials know, and i hope some of those ideas will come out today. i actually am in the process of drafting legislation to require owners of vacant buildings to do more to ensure that graffiti is cleaned up. but i know that is just one small piece of the many solutions of this problem. but at the end of the day, we know that as it takes a vill

i'm paul henderson with the san francisco district attorney's office. i'm the chief of administration there. i know ed was just talking to you about some of the stuff that we talked about from this morning. and those of you that don't know just how important this issue is, this was the focus topic this morning on n.p.r. and so the interview this morning was with ed and myself discussing graffiti and its problems with the city. he said it was a little controversial, but i think he was really understating it. when i got back to my office, penal were saying, i didn't realize you were so mad -- people were saying, i didn't realize you were so mad. you were really mad. you were really angry. it really wasn't anger, it was passion. it really was. this is something i feel so strongly about. right before the interview took place, and i encourage you guys to go listen to it later, they told me, now, we're going to have some artists come in. they didn't want to be here with you because they don't want you to see them. but they don't want you to give them too hard

henderson -- paul henderson from the mayor's office of criminal justice. the chief from adult probation. we have ms. dempsey from the sheriff's department. we have jessica from the reentry council, and a number of other folks as well. mr. henderson, if you would like to start this off. welcome. >> thank you. this is kind of a fait accompli. it was going to happen no matter what. in terms of our planning, preparing for the realignment, one of the newest things that happened is the grant that san francisco just one. the good thing is that this is an oversight, a justice strategy reinvestment grant. we just want to review our plan and make sure our plan for realignment is going to be appropriately executed, which is kind of a big deal. this is money associated with that grant in terms of oversight and input in terms of how we are putting our program together here specifically in san francisco. this is one of only seven cities in the united states that received this grand -- grant. rather than going through too many details, i am going to call up our chief of

and, in fact, our cbs5 legal analyst paul henderson says they might actually have a chance. >> so for the final charge of obstruction of justice, it is based on the other counts, right. so the obstruction of justice is the lying. and if you were found not guilty of the lying charges what's the foundation for the obstruction? >> that will be the argument on may 20th when they go back before the judge, talk about it some more. allen, barry bonds was stoic in court and never showed any emotion. i noticed when they filed in none of them made eye contact with arguably the biggest home run hitter of his generation. >> joe, the judge said -- it is the government's decision whether they want to retry bonds on those three other charges, right if. >> reporter: correct. they have not made a decision on whether they are going to retry. the defense attorneys don't want that to happen not if you had an 11-1 and that one hold outsaid she held out for three days and finally she just said she wasn't going to budget. >> it has been a long and expensive trial for everybody involved. time and money. >> r

cbs5 eyewitness news legal analyst, paul henderson. >> obstruction of justice charge, is based on theerjury count that he lied. >> reporter: jurors say that the government did not prove that barry bonds used steroids. they could not believe all of the witnesss. especially barry bonds's former girlfriend, cumberly bell, who testified his testicles shrank. >> we were very against, pretty much kim bell. she was not as -- sure in her answers and she seemed to be attacking barry bonds. >> so, really, what we saw is enough inconsistencies in the story telling that led us to wonder. >> reporter: the jury deliberating for four days. it was tough going. >> there were two outbursts of crying. actually, three and hen -- >> over what? >> i couldn't sit down. >> reporter: baseball fans at tonight's dodger's game were forgiving. >> it is kind of disappointing that he was doing steroids. >> he didn't say that he was doing steroids, but guilty of obstruction of justice. >> yeah. that he was lying. >> is he still a hoar or -- hero. >> yes. but not as much. >> reporter: here at the ballgame, the giant

we are joined by cbs 5 legal analyst, paul henderson.could mean anything. >> it means they are going over the evidence or they are fighting among themselves. in some cases where it is a hung jury, they will say judges, we haven't gotten it together. sometimes it takes longerment when you get a group of 12 people, they all hear things differently. they all see things differently. paul will still hold on for the verdict. thanks for joining us. the jury will be back at 8:30 in the morning. joe vazquez, cbs 5. >>> other bay area headlines now, an autopsy is set for tomorrow on a patient who authorities say died at napa state hospital while staffers tried to subdue him. the napa valley register reports it happened in a high security area where people incompetent to stand trial live. stafferred acted after william allegedly assaulted another patient. >> a muni driver is out of a job after passengers kicked the young family off a bus. it happened saturday on the 24 line. witnesses say the driver became angry when the couple took a long time get

paul henderson. >> obstruction of justice charge is based on the perjury count. that was the obstruction of justice that he lied. if he was found not guilty for lying, there's no foundation to the charges. >> reporter: they could not believe all the witnesses. especially bonds former girlfriend, kimberly bell who testified his testicles shrank. >> we were very against pretty much kim bell. she wasn't as sure in her answers, and she seemed to be attacking barry, instead of just giving her own honest testimony. >> so really what we saw is enough inconsistencies in the storytelling that led us to wonder, who was really telling the truth? >> reporter: the jury deliberated for nearly four days. >> there was two outbursts of crying, actually, there was three. >> over what? >> i couldn't sit down at times. >> reporter: baseball fans at tonight's giants/dodgers game were forgiving. >> i think it's kind of disappointing that he was doing steroids. >> he didn't say he was doing steroids. they just said he was guilty of obstruction. >> yeah, that was lying. >> is he still a

>> reporter: paul henderson our legal analyst says that is tricky because look, it was 11- 1 on that number 2 count which was you know -- everybody was saying before the trial that that was government's best case. if they have a retrial, 11-1 was very close. they went three days we were told with trying to convince that holdout juror that, you know, come around to the other side and she never budged. >> all right. joe vazquez in san francisco, thank you. >>> and, of course, we want to ask what do giants fans think of the verdict? mike sugerman at at&t park. the game is going to be getting under way in a couple of hours tonight. mike, what are you hearing? >> reporter: well, barry bonds is a polarizing figure and if you love barry bonds before, you still love him. if you hated him, you hate him. and we'll hear from fans and from a baseball writer who will talk about his hall of fame chances >> you know what, barry? i have to tell you, sir, you should have been nicer to your fans because we loved you and you didn't love back. >> i'm a barry bonds fan. so i just hope, you know, he is cl

joining me is cbs5's legal analyst paul henderson. let's take these one at a time much the jury asked for a transcript of the recording steve hoskins secretly recorded talking to anderson about steroids. the jury wants to see the transcript. >> that's a frequent thing. when a jury starts deliberating going after the evidence oftentimes there is communication back and forth as to how people remember the testimony so what they are allowed to review is the evidence that they already heard which is what was given to them instead of the actual transcripts. the second transcript they asked for is what you call the lynch pin of the face, kathy hoskins, that's steve's sister, a personal assistant to bonds claims she saw it with her own two eyes anderson injected barry bonds with a syringe. it only highlights, again, why she is so important to this case because in my opinion it is one of the strongest pieces of evidence for the prosecution about one of the perjury charges that the jury is focusing on. >> before the trial we have been talk abou

joining us to talk about that is kcbs 5 legal analyst paul henderson good morning. >> thanks for joining us. >> they asked for the tape what do you think. >> they want the tape they got to listen to it. one thing i thought was interesting a lot of people asked me about why don't they get to just bring the tape back into the room. >> or written transcripts. apparently that wasn't part of the evidence please explain that. >> exactly what happens is at the end of the trial the jury is allowed to take into the room everything admitted during the trial things like the transcript have not been admitted so they are not allowed to bring it into the room. >> even though they were shown. >> are they listening to the tape? being told what is on the tape? >> they will get to listen to the tape played. >> basically [inaudible] by the way. >> mostly [inaudible] but two interesting things on the tape. one thing it says when the tape talks about the shots that were taking place he talks about him getting shots over his body and where they were, were they in his butt, shoulder, side and then the other th