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, the director of the black law enforcement alliance and veteran prosecutor and legal analyst paul henderson. paul, this news that only five of the six officers have given statements to police, is there any significance to this? >> there is a significance to that. because we don't know what that sixth person is going to tell us. and let me just say contextually, that it's an outrage any time you have an individual that has an encounter with law enforcement that leads to an unexplained death. and so we still have some areas that are unexplained here. and i just got to tell you, you know it's going to focus on three separate areas. one, the probable cause that caused this incident. because we know that there may have been a knife involved. but when did they know he had a knife, and how did they know that he had it? did they follow the standard procedures when making this arrest? and this is an arrest not a detention. but this is how we get into the volume of people that are being interviewed. so it's the officers that initially detained him. it's the officers that arrested him. it's the agents

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. >>> now, let's bring in prosecutor and legal analyst paul henderson. being here paul. >> thanks for having me rev. >> what's your reaction to what you just heard about this case? >> you know it's disappointing, but you know i also have to say no good no moral prosecutor wants to see innocent people convicted of crimes. and in order for our justice system to actually work and for people to have reliability in it it has to be fair for everyone. so i actually look at this case and i'm encouraged that as forensics and as technology is evolving, one of the things that is happening is that in addition to having more solid convictions, we are having this substantive review of cases and appeals where information is being brought forward so that -- >> well, we've got to be willing to use it. prosecutors have got to be willing to be even more objective. even mr. hinton expressed outrage over how long it took for the state to look at his case. watch this. >> all of us that say that we believe in justice, this is the case to start showing. because i shouldn't sit o

. >> i want to turn to paul henderson, a veteran prosecutor. what about this report in the guardian? the prior alleged behavior of this officer in this matter. what does that mean if anything, to this case? >> listen. it just speaks to the denigration of the trust that the community has with the justice system in that area. that prior report is bad. those prior payouts are bad. the communication coming from the officials there associated with the police department are not helping any of this. and this is why you see so much protest. this is why you see so much angst. the officer, the attorney from the police union issued a statement and was talking about how the supreme court authorizes the police to chase an unprovoked suspect in a high crime area. that's not helpful. people are not getting the facts. they're not getting the information that they need as it relates to this case to find out exactly what happened and they don't want to hear information about the supreme court's case which by the way, only speaks to a detention and not specifical

also joining us is paul henderson, a veteran prosecutor. me start with mark and give us a sense of this. i've always had a sense about the court decisions of justice kennedy, about the idea of the individual, and the individual as a whole person. and yes, sex is part of that, sexual attraction is part of that, sexual behavior is part of that, but they're all part of being a whole person, a person who can love other people, and a person who will act on that love physically. and the question that's always been a portion of who an individual is, not all they are. and therefore, i thought it made perfect sense that this article you wrote suggested that personal experience with someone else may have reminded him, as we all are reminded in our lives, of gay people and straight people being people first. your thoughts? >> well, that's right. there's probably no doubt that there are several factors that go into the several opinions that justice kennedy has written in favor of the support of gay rights in the supreme court. and lots of people i've t

that's the problem. >> james peterson paul henderson, thanks for the conversation tonight. thanks for your time. still ahead, the rapid response panel takes on the gop's climate silence. >>> and next president obama is taking big steps forward in getting good relations with cuba, but not everyone is happy with the progress. stay with us. is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do. new york state is reinventing how we do business by leading the way on tax cuts. we cut the rates on personal income taxes. we enacted the lowest corporate tax rate since 1968. we eliminated the income tax on manufacturers altogether. with startup-ny, qualified businesses that start, expand or relocate to new york state pay no taxes for 10 years. all to grow our economy and create jobs. see how new york can give your business the opportunity to grow at ny.gov/business y

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i want to bring in now paul henderson, veteran prosecutor and legal analyst, pastor michael mcbride jim cavanaugh, msnbc law enforcement analyst, and bring back tessa aston hill president of the baltimore branch of the naacp. paul as we were just discussing the issues of the case and what is happening there on the ground interlinked as witnesses have said tessa told us moments ago that they were saying the name of freddie gray. this was this was for freddie gray. and if recent experience or recent events give us any indication, the discussion might be happening, can local law enforcement handle what is happening right now? what's your perspective? >> well here's the thing. and i just want to point out, even as we're looking and watching this unfold i just have to say, we have to recognize that the majority of these rallies and the majority of these gatherings that we have been having and hearing about in association with this tragedy, have been utterly and absolutely peaceful. and so it's certainly disappointing that we see the behavior today, but i think it's bigger and it's beyond jus

for more on this let's go to paul henderson, veteran prosecutor and legal analyst.night. >> thank you for having me. >> based on what has unfolded today and new information out there, is trust an issue when it comes to investigative reports and basically these were leaking out? >> it absolutely is especially because we are dealing with an information vacuum. the only information that we have are the videotapes that have come from the community and none of the agencies that are involved in involved in this incident. and at this point, now that we're starting to receive these tions than it provides answers. specifically because, now we're getting information that he may have had injured himself, mr. gray which i find a little incredulous, since he was bound and handcuffed, but that raises the question again, of should he have been had his seat belt on, while he was in the van, and what difference that would have made if any, and how is any of this information going to be corroborated without more information from the officers that were involved? which, again, now, thi

. >> reporter: jennifer stokes and paul henderson are at cal berkeley studying this very problem of watertems. >> if we go into it without a lot of planning we could find ourselves in a really tough situation in 10 or 20 30 years. >> stokes and hendrickson's research shows a clear economic benefit to spending that money on infrastructure repair now rather than later. >> these systems to operate day to day are more expensive than if you end up paying this money earlier. >> communities like san francisco, parts of marin, parts of any area in the bay area are going to have very very old water pipes that are going to fail. >> reporter: congressman jared huffman represents marin county in the cdc. he also serves on the infrastructure committee. he is proposing that council spend more money to fix these problems now. >> we're going to have to try to get ahead of this because if we don't regularly update and modernize that infrastructure you're going to see lots of failures. >> they said the community could be cut off large supplies of water for weeks, months and even years, depending on the bre

joining me now is paul henderson, veteran prosecutor and legal analyst. also the professor of african-american studies at tufts university. and dr. james peterson msnbc contributor and director of africana studies at lehigh university. mr. henderson, let me turn to you first. the one thing baltimore police have not addressed is why they chased freddie gray to begin with. how will this impact the investigation? >> we heard from the attorney from the police union, which talked about citing case law that allows them to engage a suspect. really here's the problem. it's united states v. jones, which talks about being able to engage an unprovoked suspect in a high crime area. but here's the problem with that. one, that speaks to reasonable suspicion to detain and not probable cause to arrest. and in this case we have an arrest. so it's going to be very important to understand that if they did have a knife, when they did have a knife, that that was enough to arrest him, because knives aren't necessarily enough to arrest an individual per se. people are demanding

. >> i'm joined tonight by paul henderson, veteran prosecutor and legal analyst along with tom mezaro defense attorney. it seems like every week we have a police story. this one is from the archives. 25-year-old guy has a broken neck. riding the bike? did he have an accident? the justice department says it's premature to intervene. do you agree with that? >> well they're saying it's premature to intervene because there are investigations that are already going on at the ground at two different levels. so they're going to be trying to figure out at a local level what, if anything, mr. gray would have been or could have been charged with. and secondarily, and this is most importantly, what was the conduct of the officers that were involved that have been suspended? and keep in mind this is more than just the two or four officers that were involved in the initial detention. it's going to expand and increase the officers that were involved in the arrest and then also and they're going to focus on the probable cause. we don't know and that's why we're seeing all this discussion with the ti

. >> pastor michael mcbride, paul henderson, tessa aston hill, thank you for your time tonight. that's "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >>> we continue with that breaking news from baltimore. these are live irpictures from the city where clashes between police and an angry crowd have at times turned violent. the tensions beginning late this afternoon, when police formed a line in the street and some people responded by throwing rocks and battles. the clashes quickly escalating. at one point, the crowd hurled a trash can at a police vehicle. later, a police car was set on fire. the smoke and flames filling the street. police say others in the crowd looted a store in the area. at least seven officers have reportedly sustained serious injuries. >> they have broken bones, one of them is unresponsive. this is not okay. >> we will do whatever is appropriate to protect the safety of our police officers and to ensure the safety of the people that live and work in the area. >> earlier in the day, police said they received a credible threat that

paul sardines. we are great believers in the truth of program should end on the same day they start. [laughter] i'm way to get right into it. [laughter] tom henderson, i want to thank you, tamara allen to think u.s. well. i want to thank all of you for being here today. sharon, and family of cognition and neil smit, thank you for thing that you did. sitting next use my 17 year old son william. [applause] we know that families give up a lot in order to support their parents in public service, and i would also like to tell your dad one other thing. and that is, my mom, barbara o'malley, who is 87 years old, when she found out i was coming to iowa, she said to say hello to my friend neil smith. she was in the young democrats of america, got her pilot's license during the second world war. at the time, after that, she was in washington dc. she remembers your father very fondly. she would see your father in washington. i promised my mom i would do that. my parents were part of that generation that tom brokaw and others have called the greatest generation. but it was not a title they would readily embrace themselves. as americans they believe that every

paul s arbenes. we are great believers in the truth of program should end on the same day they start. [laughter] i'm way to get right into it. [laughter] tom henderson, i want to thank , camaro, i want to thank you as well. i want to thank all of you for being here today. my 17 year old son william. [applause] sharon, i know that families give up a lot in order to support their parents in public service, and i would also like to tell your dad one other thing. and that is, my mom, barbara o'malley, who is 87 years old, when she found out i was coming to iowa, she said to say hello to my friend neil smith. she was in the young democrats from fort wayne indiana, where she got her pilot's license during the second world war. join the civil air patrol. protective the indiana coastline against german u-boat incursions. at the time, after that, she was in washington dc. she remembers your father very fondly. she would see your father in washington. i promised my mom i would do that. my parents were part of that generation that tom brokaw and others have called the greatest generation. but it was not a title they would readily embrace themselves. as america

taught by paul sarbanes-oxley and we are great breeders -- we are great believers that campaigns should end on the same day that they start, so i am going to get right into it. tom henderson, i want to thank you. i want to thank all of you for being here today, and sharon and the family of congressman neil smith, thank you for everything you did. sitting here is my 17-year-old son william. and, sharing, i know that families give up a lot in order to support their parents in public service and i would also like to tell your dad one other thing, and that is my mom barbara o'malley who is 87 years old, when she found out i was coming to iowa, she said say hello to my friend neil smith come because she was in the young democrats in fort wayne indiana, when she got a pilot's license and joined the civil air patrol and help protect us against the boats and at the time after that, she was in washington, d.c., and she remembers your father very fondly. she was a national committeewoman, and she would see your father there in washington, so please give her best and i will write her name down on a card, and i promised my mom i would do that. my parents were part of that generation