this is the final part of my conversation with paul holman, we discuss leadership. ers are not relegated to a level of the company. for example, the medical community that went to west africa to fight ebola, those are real leaders. i work a lot with the blind and deaf, people who put themselves 24 hours for the availability of people with disabilities. those are real leaders. often, in fact come the teachers and nurses, these people who are real leaders that positively impact others, are undervalued strangely enough. so, to me a leader is not just because we happen to have a job. i also think that a leader is not necessarily only somebody who leads from the front. a good leader probably leads more from the back than the front, like a shepherd does. ultimately, i hope they say that they do not like me, but i would hope that i could say that there is respect, because ultimately, i think the jobs that we do these are very challenging jobs. it also means some of the decisions are involved in our decisions that are not that easy. otherwise, they would not arrive at you. y