a number of other ceos and chairmen of motorola, paul jacobson who runs will come, the president was meeting with these ceos, immigration reform. does the president in your experience listen to these ceos or more about getting behind him, the president uses them as leverage to push forward his own agenda like he did with tax hikes on the upper bracket. go ahead. >> i think he listens to them particularly on immigration looking at what the president said over the last two or three years, he had a number of councils advise him business people and for tourists coming to the u.s. were important for economic growth and immigration was important for a lot of high tech industry and you saw the president position move on some of those and they have done important work in those areas. in this case i am not sure given the collection of high-tech people you'd probably hear a lot about high skilled immigration. broader immigration is defined by more than just what they make. liz: number of people who want immigration, they want a vibrant economy with skilled immigrants and smart immigrants comin