not only can i be inspired by james madison, but i can be inspired by people like paul jennings. can now understand that african american history is indeed american history. >> reporter: how do you think it's working, kat? i mean, who is coming here? >> i'm hearing from people when they're visiting, they're both saying we're so happy because now we really understand more the humanity of the people who lived here. black and white. it's really easy to talk about things 200 years ago, it's a lot more difficult when you bring it all the way up today, and you go no, the legacy of slavery is still with us, it's part of our democratic dna, it is hard baked into how we are as a people. >> there's a morality question that all of us have to grapple with. this was a business to these people. unfortunately, the business was other human beings. james madison would have never been able to do, or any of the founding fathers, would have never had the liberty to have the time to think, to philosophy, to study, to go into this whole discussion about what government, and humanity, and how people sh

i want to talk about all of this more with kirsten power, scott jennings, paul begalaed a and d pe pena. david, the reports that the president has no regrets with regards to the presser, does that surprise you? >> i would be surprised if he had regrets. i think he closed the door on what he said about this issue yesterday. i don't think there was much more he could have add to it. and i think he's the type of guy who refuses to admit mistakes. and i think his ego is so large that the negativity of that is translated in his mind to unfairness on our part. >> so does this all just blow over? >> no, it doesn't. that's very important. this is, i think, a signal event. you know, a lot of the things that have happened before, were happening in the midst of sort of just chaos and everyday part of a new headline. this stands out like a katrina. one of these moments in a protest where people take their cues from that. bill clinton turned his prote presidency around with oklahoma city. this president has turned the oklahoma city example and turned it upside down and grievously wounded himself and