from paul johnson. >> johnson is a footnoter. johnson's way of doing research. he writes with a typewriter. he has two typewriters going faults. one is the typewriter of the text, the other is a footnote typewriter. wasn't so easy to link the two. not so sure i could have done all of my footnoting without the computer. he's a very careful user of sources to make sure he's got everything right. i think with the ideology he got the bert of his scholarship. >> we have video of jimmy carter who was here in 1995. he's talking about the book of poetry. >> beginning five years ago, i studied textbooks about poetry and the different kinds of poetry, the different kinds of whether they rimed or not, open verse, and so forth. also famous poets, the words they said. the favorite poet at that time was dylan thomas but i don't have any ability or inclination to try to emulate his poetry. >> what do you think? jimmy carter has written a lot of books. what did you find out about him in books? >> jimmy carter wrote 23 books more than any other ex-president or president in their

>> absolutely paul johnson. paul johnson -- >> i'm not so sure -- i want to start with what's the difference? what was a student if they were given one side, what would they get from either paul johnson or howard? >> they both have ideological predispositions. one is a marxist and johnson is more conservative. but johnson is a very careful foot noter. his way of doing research. he writes with a typewriter but he has two going at all times. one is the typewriter of the text, the other is the footnote. in the days before computers it wasn't so easy to link the two. i'm not sure i could have done all mine without a computer. but so he's a very careful user of sources and making sure that he has everything right. i think he sometimes let his ideology get the better of his scholarship. >> we've got video of jimmy carter who was here in about 1995 and he is talking about his book of poetry. >> beginning about five years ago i studied textbooks about poetry and the different kinds of poetry, the different kinds rimed o

. >> prosser gives an example of moderate, rand paul, ron paul, gory gaffer johnson. gran gam ling says this is driven by the religious right. it's the church that needs to evolve. henry on facebook says it isn't about marriage. it is the gay community want for everyone to accept their lifestyle as normal. geoff >> i want to get you in this conversation. what is the modern moderate republican? a lot paint the tea party as extreme but a lot of republicans are leaving the party to join the tea party. what's the new normal now? >> moderate is a slippery term. it's easier to say what a conservative is rather than what a moderate is. a moderate is basically a practicing mma pragmatitist. actually it's how to get things done so much as articulating the way things ought to be. >> it's mentioned some republicans are leaning more toward the tea party. can traction? >> a lot of this comes down to basic problems that we have with our definitions. but sure. you still have a number of constituents ease in the careen party. if you are looking at gailing out the 2016 nominating cont

vitter, toomey, shelby, sessions, rubio, roberts, reesh, paul, lee, johnson of wisconsin, heller, grassley, enzi, cruz, crapo and cornyn. 16 senators voting no in cloture vote and now it will head over to the house soon after this final hurdle was passed over in the senate which will be reached in a matter of minutes. >> and we're going to say goodbye to bret. bret has got a special tonight i understand if this continues live coverage. want to stay with bret. but just to recap what you are looking at. the u.s. senate in the final moments of this vote, which is the deal that, plan, however you want to look at it postponement until january 15th funding the government and february 7th to raise that debt ceiling. as soon as this vote is completed, we expect to hear from the president of the united states. and of after the president, we expect that he wool be switching over to the house of representatives where the vote begins there in earnest and, of course, that is one to watch because there are lots of questions there as to who is going to vote, how and when. we really do expect that this wi

. >> reporter: an issue republican senator rand paul famously filibustered over. johnson's support for national security agency surveillance programs and his criticism of military detention of terror suspects could also come up. he's already being challenged as untested in some areas. >> there are gaps in terms of immigration, first responders, the other parts of dhs, the component operating parts. >> reporter: congressional reaction to the nomination has been favorable on the left but republican texas senator john cornyn said he had grave concerns and questioned johnson's management and law enforcement qualifications. rather than selecting someone who knows the unique dynamics of our southern border, president obama has tapped one of his former new york fund-raisers. that could be a problem for johnson, too. the center for responsive politics labels him a bundler in fund-raising for president obama, meaning he helped the president raise big money by calling on friends to help. by the way, no word tonight from republican senator rand paul, the drone critic, on what he think

and i can't -- i can't imagine that we're ma lining paul ryan and ron johnson.ou this, you have me on here telling you the flaws in the strategy in the ted cruz strategy. here is the best rebuttal. if it you had anything further to my right, what's your strategy? ted cruz's strategy might be bad. but what's the alternative strategy? there might not be one that involves obama care. his focuses on entitlement reform and tax reform. very important issues. he says obama care is not off the table, he wants to include it. >> but just to reiterate, you are hearing already some complaints from the right about what he is doing? >> i have heard those complaints. >> thank you so much. we've got a lot left to talk about. we'll be right back. people don't have to think about where their electricity comes from. they flip the switch-- and the light comes on. it's our job to make sure that it does. using natural gas this power plant can produce enough energy for about 600,000 homes. generating electricity that's cleaner and reliable, with fewer emissions-- it matters. ♪ ♪ hooki

. >> guest: the -- ted crudes -- cruz and mike lee and rand paul and marco rubio and johnson. i could go down the list. understanding fully well not that all of them agreed with this on the particular squabble. i think that's the new party. it's all about economic freedom and understanding that washington, d.c., is a game played by insiders. and it may be big business. it may be public employees union. somebody else always gets to the table first. we would like to get all of that inside trading out of washington and let people take charge of their lives again. >>> we're making it worse. that's not what the founders of this nation envisioned when they gave us the gift of self-government. you don't like a particular policy? or a particular president? , then argue for your position. go out there and win an election. push to change it. but don't break it. don't break what our predecessors spent over two centuries building. that's not being faithful to what this country is about. >> guest: what he's really saying is the only time the american people have a right to question their g

paul ryan. they should get together and make the deal. >> it sounds so easy. >> representative johnson, really,e the one sitting in the hot seat. these two guys, they're not running for office right now. you do every two years. can you cut entitlements to try and bring the deficit down and still be re-elected? >> well, let me say that i agree with much of what senator gregg has said. if we have the majority of people here who did believe that, we could work something out. i do not feel that we should go after entitlements just for the sake of going after entitlements. but i do think they need to be examined. i think there's some tweaks that we can do. i don't think that we can balance this budget on the backs of the most needy people. i think we need to watch what other things we're doing. there are a lot of subsidies that we have for big businesses. we have spent a large amount of money on the wars that we have going on. we have to look at the whole picture. we can't just look at entitlements. i think that the social security deduction factor can have the cap moved upward. i do think we can gr

alexander, ayatt, fisher, flake, graham, grassley, ho hoeve hoeven, inhofe, johnson of wisconsin, lee, mcconnell, maran, murkowski, pauls, rubio, scott, toomey, wicker. mr. hatch, mr. hatch, no. mr. keyesia, mr. keyesia, no. mr. barroso, mr. barroso, no. mr. shelby, mr. shelby, no. mr. sessions, mr. sessions, no. mrs. shaheen, mrs. shaheen, aye. mr. blunt, mr. blunt, no. >> all right, we're going to step away from the drama in the senate chamber. and continue our conversations with chuck conesburg, he was an assistant director of the white house office of management during the '95 shutdown. in listening to all what is going on this morning, does it feel the same in '95? does it feel worse? how do you characterize this? >> well, 1995 was pretty bad. it was the longest shutdown in u.s. history, lasted for three weeks. this one, this one feels that it could be as bad, because of the level of gridlock that is currently in place right now. >> roger simon from politico, he just said this feels different from '95 because he said that legislators are meaner. i mean, there is no -- there is no cooperation between the two sides

johnson wisconsin. we had him on the other day. lee, of course, you utah. rand paul. rice, roberts, rubio.florida. scott, sessions, tomb my, vitter, grassley. they all voted no. >> great position for them to be in. >> why? >> because that's what their constituents wanted. because the vote passed 83-16. if you are in the 16, it doesn't matter. >> 81-18. >> so you got the result that you wanted. but here is the interesting thing. when you say that the republicans didn't lose, if you -- what do they actually tan jibbably get out of this except for keeping the sequester cut? a delay? >> you ask so many good questions. >> maybe we should switch seats. >> i'm going to answer it. here is what the republicans get. independents are furious with the democratic party and president obama. furious. every poll says that. okay? that's what the republicans get. independents coming over. >> can they win those votes? is the brand so bad that the independents don't come and vote for them. >> now we are into speculation and we don't do than 00 factor. you do that on the factor a lot. >> predict? >> we can't.

paul stevens is the president and ceo of the investment company institute. previously he served as special assistant for the national security affairs to president reagan. mr. keating, you may proceed. >> chairman johnson and ranking member crapo, i am frank keating. i previously served two terms as governor of oklahoma come and recently was a member of the bipartisan policy center's debt reduction task force. i appreciate the opportunity to discuss the need to raise the debt ceiling and the consequences of failing to do so. let me be clear, we need to meet our obligations and not create any uncertainty that we will do so on time, every time. in this country, our word is our bond. the respect and admiration of the united states and its institutions inspire around the world are based on the certainty that when our nation makes a promise we keep it. ordinary americans will bear the brunt of the damage if our leaders do not prevent the united states from defaulting on its debt for the first and very first time in its history. we're are much closer to disaster this year than we were two years ago when the debt ceiling standoff caused economic uncertainty to spike, consumer confidence plummet, and stock pri