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first up, paul krugman of the "new york times" on just how much damage the delta variant will do to the u.s. economy as it throws back-to-work plans up in the air. what will it do to the rest of the world? then richard thaler on how to nudge the vaccine hesitant, to go ahead and get the shots. he literally wrote the book on it. he's the co-author of the mega best-seller, "nudge." >> people will die who don't have to die. people don't have to die. >> also, tunisia was the poster child for arab's spring success. it took out autocracy and replaced it with democracy. but now the president has fired the prime minister and frozen the parliament. is this a coup? will the other government go the autocrat route? we'll explore. >>> does america need a truth and reconciliation process after the attack on the capitol? the house select committee held its first hearing on tuesday, but many in this country didn't actually want to hear the truth, and there's certainly no reconciliation in the works. scholar danielle allen will tell us how it could work here in america. >>> but first, here's my take. th

for that and more, i'm joined by paul krugman. he is an op-ed columnist for the "new york times" and won the nobel prize in economics in 2008. welcome, paul. so is this delta variant going to be a break on what seemed like a very powerful recovery? >> it's going to be a bit of a break. no question that things are not as rosy as they appeared to be before this delta variant started up. but this is very, very different. it's a much less powerful blow to the economy and something much easier to cope with if we choose than what we went through last year. this shouldn't be a really important thing. it's going to hurt but it probably won't show that much in gdp at all. >> so explain that, because you have 40% of the population that's unvaccinated. presumably you're going to have states in which the hospitalization is going to get bad. maybe people are going to be cautious. you're going to have places like -- i'm thinking about broadway, which is -- mostly tourists go to broadway musicals. are they going to come in, are they going to hav

paul krugman joins me now. you wrote about florida.. i would like your feedback. best response has been phil scott, republican governor of vermont, others have done well. but is there an inherent part of conservatism and it's negative externalism -- or fluked version we have now, which do you think it is in. >> neither. revelation for me has been it's not even -- it's not even about reflexive opposition to regulating negative externalities, that's been true of something like climate change, but what's really striking about the republican response here in places like florida is that in fact they're all into regulation. right has told us for decades that business people should have the right to make their own decisions. if they want to deny service to somebody based on whatever criteria, sexual preference, race, free market, business has the right. but suddenly it's not okay, it's illegal for a business to deny service to someone who refuses to wear a mask or refuses to provide evidence of vaccination status. so whole freedom, free marke

well, my next guest, economist, professor, and "new york times" columnist paul krugman lays it out intimes," calling what many are feeling, and that is the quiet rage of the responsible. and professor krugman joins me now. thank you, professor. i really appreciate what you wrote here. so let's talk about this. good evening to you. dr. fauci told anderson just a bit earlier here on cnn that if most people eligible to be vaccinated get the shot, the u.s. could have control over the virus entering into next spring. the rage of the responsible may be quiet now, but how long do you think people are going to be willing to have their lives and their children's lives disrupted, even endangered because of anti-vax and anti-maskers? >> well, i hope that people won't take it, you know, a minute longer. this is the most amazing -- i mean the self-indulgence of people who are deciding that they don't want to do this because -- they have various reasons, but this is one of those things where, you know, this is not a personal choice. your decision not to get vaccinated, your refusal to wear a mask p

paul krugman, thanks for the time. >> thanks for having me on. >> that is "all in" and "the rachel maddow show" starts now with ali. >> a man in virginia named travis campbell has been in the hospital more than a week because of complications from covid-19. he was unvaccinated, so were his wife and their children, all caught the virus in july. wife explained to nbc quote, we thought we were invincible, weren't going to get it. now he's in icu struggling to breathe and has urgent warning for anyone who like him has not gotten the covid vaccine. >> the delta strain is something else. i would ask you if you thought that you had to sit down and plan your goodbyes and funeral, or go get the covid vaccine, what -- what would you do? i'd hope to god that all my friends and family would not say somebody hand me a piece of paper and a pen. that's a sobering thought of which i have done. i have planned. last night my wife and i had to make a decision if i was going to allow them to put me on a ventilator. worst-case scenario. and i don't want to be on one. but i want to live. >> i want to live. as

well, my next guest professor and "new york times" columnist paul krugman lays it out in the times callingre feeling, the quiet rage of the responsible. thank you, professor. really appreciate what you wrote here. let's talk about this. good evening. dr. fauci told anderson a bit earlier on c nnn if post people eligible to be vaccinated get the shot, the u.s. could have control over the virus entering into next spring. the rage of the responsible may be quiet now but how long do you think people will be willing to have their lives and children's lives disrupted and in danger because of anti vax and anti mas maskers? >> i hope people won't take it a minute longer. this is the most amazing -- the self-indulging of people deciding they don't want to do this because it's -- since they have various reasons but this is one of those things where, you know, this is not a personal choice. your decision not to get vaccinated, your refuse toll w -- refusal to wear a mask disrupts life, it keeps kids out of school. we spent so much time being careful about the feelings. people's feels doesn't entitle

i'm with paul krugman who talked about the frustration who gave up all of our going out and everything to do the right thing and do as we are told as the science changed. we are all trying to do the right thing and there are people who are insisting on not. i'm going to give you two examples of what mara was talking about, messengers and maybe the stories of people. on one hand reverend jesse jackson, we learned over the weekend he and his wife jackie both have covid. he is 79 years old. he is fully vaccinated. he got his vaccine on january 8th. he did a public event. he urged others to get it. we know his wife, jacqueline jackson, is not vaccinated. that was confirmed by long-time family spokesman frank watkins. she is unvaccinated. that's one household where you have differing vaccine statuses. on the other hand you have donald trump, the guy i just mentioned, who knew how deadly it was and didn't tell anybody except bod woodward. here he is today trying to reverse himself on the idea of whether people should get vaccinated. take a listen. no, this is this weekend. >> i believe total

first up, paul krugman of the "new york times" on just how much damage the delta variant will do to the air. what will it do to the rest of the world? then richard thaler on how to nudge the vaccine hesitant, to go ahead and get the shots

"new york times" columnist paul krugman pictured here holding his if you are baby apparently believes child tax credit is racist, too because it's really about more white christians. radical feminists have built their entire brand around de-prioritizing family life and shaming happy moms as sell outs to the patriarchy. i used to wonder where this hatred came from until i became a parent last year. progressives hate babies because they're crying, drooling, everything left wokest believe. boys and girls are the answer to the argument and antidote to poisonous lie. first, of course, babies are alive from the moment of conception. everyone who has ever seen an ultrasound knows it second, children are male or female. parents learn the hard way that sex is not a social construct. social constructs don't pee on you while you are giving them a baath. children are individuals. people who know lots of kids know that identity politics is nonsense. everyone is born different. the only diversity that matters is the universal diversity of each child of god. children are creative. there is no greate

"new york times" opinion columnist paul krugman writes, quote, it's crucial to understand that we aren't facing a national crisis. we are facing a red state crisis with nakedly red roots. bernard ashley, debbie powell, and david jolly who is also an msnbc political analyst. it's the who's who of florida. dr. ashby, the latest in your state, it hits a record for daily cases. i am not in florida but that is incredibly alarming to me. can you talk me through what that looks like on the ground? >> alarming is an understatement. where do i start? we are number one in hospitalizations in the u.s. we are number two in hospitalizations [ inaudible ] in the u.s. we are number one for admissions to critical care in broward county in the u.s. now we have broken our record at 21,683 new infections. the positivity rate above 50%. all told, florida is surging and our leadership is not helping us at all. our hospitals are getting overwhelmed. we're starting to shut down [ inaudible ] as a result of that and that impacts other issues like hard disease, like cancer, like colon cancer, so on and so forth.

the president's handling of covid which i read as more just fatigue and that brings me to what paul krugmann "the new york times" about the quiet rage of the responsible. the question is whether this anger, the wage of the responsible, will have a political impact. were they will stand up for those trying to do the right thing but lives disrupted and endangered by those who aren't n. a real sense the irresponsible minority is depriving the rest of us of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. furthermore, those claiming that their opposition to public health measures is about protecting, quote, freedom, aren't being honest. i wonder what you make of the last point about him calling them out on their honesty but also a broader question if this frustration is going to turn into political action. i was talking a few weeks ago with two moms from arkansas who i would definitely call rage moms. they want to send their kids back to school. they don't want to be fighting with governors over mask mandates. are those people going to turn into a political force? >> well, i can use myself as an exa