>>paul lisnek. >> thank you for joining us. also joining us is the author of young mr. obama. >> i just think about him sitting in his little office while being interviewed. he had a picture of washington on the wall. just the two of us and he walked me out to my car. now seeing him in front. i was there for the first inauguration. probably the biggest gathering in american history. >> it is one of the fastest rise as an american political history we have seen the physical changes. have you had a chance to talk with have and see how he has affected? >> the last time i sat down and interview him was an early 2004 when he was running for the senate. even then he was a one- man operation. >> one thing i learned especially with obama politicians do not care what you did for the minister did they care about what you could do for them today. >> did you get a sense that this was a man who had a vision on the white house? >> i thought he was going to become a senator. even when he was running i thought he would be a better candidate for senate. he had a white background he came