is this it for paul manafort? or is it possible that the special counsel has something that they know about that we don't know about after all this time with manafort on collusion? here's his defense attorney just moments ago. >> as you heard in court today, mr. manafort finally got to speak for himself. he made clear he accepts responsibility for his conduct, and i think most importantly, what you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one. there is absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from russia. thank you, everybody. >> what do you think of the sentence? >> is evan, is there -- is that true, there's absolutely no evidence? i don't know that we that's true at this point, do we? >> reporter: look, i don't think we know what the mueller investigators have found. i mean, i think we're expecting, obviously, that the attorney general is going to get the confidential report from the special counsel sometime soon. and then we're going do s

paul manafort engaged in $55 million in tax fraud. there are poor african-americans in jail tonight much longer than manafort's sentence who stole $55 or $155 from a 7-eleven or committed some kind of non-violent crime even, some drug offense. it's just hard to give people confidence in our criminal justice system when a crime of this nature gets such a short sentence compared to the sentences that poor people, people of color, get every day in our court system. >> congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez tweeted just moments before the show, "paul manafort getting such little jail time for such serious crimes lays out for the world how it's almost impossible for rich people to go to jail for the same amount of time as someone who is lower income in our current broken system. justice isn't blind. it's bought." mieke eoyang, your reaction to the paul manafort sentence here. >> it shows that someone who has a pattern of deceptiveness in cheating the american people, the length of the sentence is troubling in how short it is but i have to k

you know, she did acknowledge paul manafort when he spoke. he addressed the court in ten minutes and he did say that -- i'm just going to look for my notes here because there were some good ones for manafort and he said that he was sorry for what he's done and he acknowledged that last week in the hearing and after that hearing that judge ellis said that he wasn't sure that manafort had accepted responsibility and manafort said let me be clear and i accept responsibility for the actions that caused me to be here. he wanted to apologize. he apologized several times and he really emphasized the impact that this would have on his wife. she is his sole supporter. she she is 66. they would have nothing left after this. they took my properties, my cash, my insurance and the trust funds for his kids and grandkids and please let my wife and i be together and asks no more than the 47 months, but the judge thought differently. she, as i explained, went through the various points and disagreed with the defense argument. she also said that paul manafort w

the first apology from paul manafort. at this very moment president trump's former campaign chairman inside that federal courtroom in d.c. on the left side of your screen. court now in recess. manafort inside for about 90 minutes. he spoke a few moments ago. he and his defense attorneys trying to lowerther amount of time he'll spend in prison. last week, manafort got what a lot of folks thought was a sweetheart deal in a separate federal case. just four years with one year already served. today, manafort facing up to ten additional years. paul manafort, less than three weeks shy of his 70th birthday. he could walk out of prison in a few years or not until he's in his 80s. that is assuming that president trump doesn't have anything to say about all of it. ken delaney has been covering this from the very beginning. he's outside the federal courthouse. ken, let us start with what paul manafort said to the judge. >> reporter: craig, he said he was sorry. in contrast to his failure to say that whatsoever last week in virginia.

it is not over for paul manafort. e 69-year-old former trump campaign manager was indicted by the manhattan district attorney, but 30 minutes after his new sentencing in washington, d.c. there manafort was sentenced by two federal judges to a combined 90 months or 7 1/2 years behind bars. he is set to be there just over 6 1/2 years. >> but there is new indictment for mortgage fraud and conspiracy brings the long-time lobbyist's trouble to a local level. a new level where a potential presidential pardon, which is something we've been talking about for a long time about

themselves from paul manafort. even the president himself distanced himself from paul manafort saying he didn't know him very well. he was only on the campaign for a few months. that doesn't mean that this investigation of the former trump campaign chairman has not been a thorn in their side from the very beginning, for a overandoveyear and a half since he was charged. this is a pivotal moment for white house officials as they watch this play out. rudy giuliani came to the white house earlier today. he was seen going into the west wing. you can imagine that he is also paying close attention. >> he is watching it together with the president's other private attorneys. >> presumably. >> as well as white house counsel, i'm sure they are watching it closely as well. everybody, stand by. i want to make sure that shimon -- is shimon still with us? he will be back in a moment. i want to turn to another important issue that we're following right now. michael cohen and cnn's new reporting on whether he sought a presidential

the broader environment, the broader climate, the fact that she is overseeing more than just the paul manaforte when it comes to the special counsel's investigation. what you're hearing from judge jackson right now, what strikes you? >> i think she is very much focusing on the conduct before her and telling manafort that's what i'm doing. she's setting up if i punish you in a way you think is harsh, here's why i'm doing it. she is overseeing these other investigations that are part of the special counsel probe. a lot of times when the judge does that, they internally are keeping track of different defendants, different cases. she has her own internal sense of proportionalty here because she knows a lot. >> how closely is roger stone watching the sentencing here today? >> i think he's watching very carefully and preparing what he thinks he can say about it. >> dana, to our discussion earlier about the prosecutors leaving the courtroom -- i'm sorry, manafort's attorneys leaving the courtroom last week and going directly out and saying this is not about collusion. we heard directly from the judge

, paul manafort, a business guy, but paul manafort, the chairman of the campaign of the republican nomineeot just that, that according to the mueller team and court documents that we have seen, manafort met with this gentleman kilimnik and gave him polling data from the trump campaign. now, whether or not that's collusion or not, you know, that's for a separate conversation. but the point is that it continued while he was in the midst of a very important political role. maybe he did it because he was trying to show these people that he's worth the money they're giving him for other business, that he's a player, that he's still in the game and not because they were trading information about the campaign in order to affect the campaign. but it's still not okay and that is an important aspect of this as he is sentenced that we can't forget. >> everyone stay there. we're waiting for the sentence to come down. also on top of this important story that develops, we know u.s. pilots have raised concerns about the boeing 737 max 8. why is the faa not concerned, next? ever since daryl's family start

pardoning paul manafort? >> i have great respect for what he's done in terms of what he's gone through. you know, he worked for ronald reagan for years. he worked for bob dole. i would say what he did, some of the charges they threw against him, every consultant, every lobbyist in washington probably does. >> david? >> he also worked for warlords and, you know, clement tocratic thugs, i can't even say it. he didn't just work for ronald reagan. >> i'm referring to the cleptocrats, the thugs. >> paul manafort doesn't even reach michael cohen levels of contrition. at least michael cohen cooperate fully with robert mueller and then testified before congress and kind of admitted to getting off on the wrong path, right? and now the scales are from his eyes. he's no longer wowed and dazzled by donald trump and fame and fortune. you know, he's doing this after he got caught, of course, but at least telling us a story of a man who sees things differently and now just wants to help. manafort couldn't bring himself to d

really praised paul manafort.y different tone, by the way, than he's taken with his former attorney and personal fixer michael cohen who flipped on him. he's called cohen a rat. the big question looming over all of this, is president trump potentially going to pardon m manafo manafort? the president said he wouldn't take it off the table. more recently saying i don't even does it. i spoke with rudy giuliani several days ago about this fact. and rudy giuliani said essentially that look, he's not taking the possibility of a pardon off the table, but added this, hallie. that the president will not consider a pardon now, nor will the president give a pardon now. so rudy giuliani very firm that that's not something that is being actively discussed. now, undoubtedly the president, his legal team, white house officials here watching this very closely. what might the implications be for president trump? of course, he has focussed on the fact that this case is not about collusion. of course, that doesn't clear the presiden

but his life is very different than paul manafort's since he pled guilty. i mean, unlike manafort, rick gates has been at home all of this time. he hasn't been in jail even for a day, although there is still the prospect that that's where he's heading when his cooperation is fully over and he's finally sentenced. the convictions for which paul manafort was sentenced today were the only jury verdicts thus far in any case brought by special counsel robert mueller or in any derivative prosecution that's related to any of these scandals. it's the only jury verdict. everybody else has pled and is either awaiting sentencing or they've already been sentenced by a judge. nobody else has yet faced a trial other than paul manafort. at his trial this summer you will recall that paul manafort didn't take the stand in his own defense. there was tons of testimony against him from, among others, rick gates, his former deputy. also from accountants and bookkeepers who testified on manafort's crimes. in the end that jury in virginia convicted manafort on five felony counts o

paul manafort is going to do far less time in prison than robert mueller recommended. why? nafort still has another case to be sentenced on. will next week's judge throw the book at him and does this sentence mean that mueller went too far? that the probe

today the president was asked about pardoning paul manafort. >> will you pardon paul manafort?> i have not even given it a thought as of this moment. it's not something that right now is on my mind. i do feel badly for paul manafort. >> right after the sentencing took place here in washington, d.c., the manhattan district attorney filed state charges against him, which would seem to be a way to get around the effect of any pardon. >> i don't know anything about it. i haven't heard that. i'll take a look at it. >> in his sentencing hearing, paul manafort apologized for his crimes for the first time, telling judge amy berman jackson, quote, i am sorry for what i have done and for all the activities that have gotten us here today. i know it was my conduct that brought me here today. for these mistakes i am remorseful. judge jackson was less sympathetic to manafort than judge t.s. ellis was, who gave him what many saw as a lighter sentence last week and praised his, quote, judge ellis praised manafort's, quote, otherwise blameless life. judge jackson told paul manafort, what you we

paul manafort is going to prison. less than an hour ago the judge in the virginia trial sentenced him to 47 months in prison, minus nine months for time served. that is, to be clear, far less than the federal guidelines that called for 19 to 25 years. and he called the sentencing guidelines to rr high, calling manafort, the man who worked for dictators around the world, lived an otherwise blameless life. >>> the d.c. judge hassall red ea found that manafort breached his plea agreement by lying. she could tack as much as ten years on top of his sentence. it's very easy to process each individual story in the context of an expectation that there will be a once and for all smoking gun revelation. but i think on this day all of days as paul manafort is said to go to prison, it's import tonight take stock. this is a guy who was sleeszy from the jump. who started a lobbying firm with none other than roger stone. a trump advisor, who when he was hired at the time people warned that manafort was a scandal waiting to happen, w

but his life is very different than paul manafort since he pled guilty. unlike manafort, rick gates is at home all this time and hasn't been in jail for a day, although there is still the prospect that's where he's heading when his cooperation is fully over and he's finally sentenced. the convictions for which paul manafort was sentenced today were the only jury verdicts so far special counsel robert mueller and scandals and the grand jury verdict, everybody plead. nobody else has yet faced a trial other than paul ma that fo -- manafort and he didn't take the stand in his own defense. there was tons of testimony against him from among others rick gates, his former deputy, also from accountants and bookkeepers. in the end that jury in virginia convicted manafort on five felony counts of tax fraud, two felony counts of bank fraud and one felony count related to him not reporting his foreign bank accounts and the best news manafort got that day is despite the fact that jury in virginia convicted him of eight felonies, as john mitchell might say, it could have

this exchange from november back into focus. >> it seems like you're leaning towards pardoning paul manafort. is that true in. >> it's very poorly the way they're treating paul. i have not offered any pardons. i think they asked or whatever would you. i said i'm not taking anything off the table. >> good morning. this is "morning joe." mika's on assignment. along with willie and me, we have donny deutsch, david cevallos, former msnbc contributor barbara mcquaid. and, willie, my god, the sentencing, which the guidelines were at 20 years was service early reduced by this federal judge who had, boy, raised questions about the way he handled this hearing and handled the trial from the very beginning. just an absolutely shocking sentence that, again, suggests that not on that paul manafort had no need to apologize in the eyes of this judge and also suggested that there are two americas when it comes to justice, that if you're a wealthy, white white-collar criminal, you're treated one way and if not you're treated another. >> paul manafort did not apologize. the recommendation was 19 to 19 1/2 yea

those were indictments against both paul manafort and his former campaign deputy rick gates. eventually plead guilty and he is cooperating with the special counsel. manafort, meanwhile, is accused of trying to tamper with witnesses after his indictment and that is exactly why he was charged with obstruction about eight months later on june 8th, 2018. manafort has been behind bars since that date. he's been in a virginia jail in solitary confinement and he went to jail to try actually in his virginia case in august. the jury there convicting him on eight counts of bank and tax fraud. there were 18 counts total but the jury deadlocked on the ten other counts that were eventually dismissed. then just a few weeks later in washington, d.c., paul manafort entered into a plea deal with prosecutors on those charges, but mueller's team eventually, they accused manafort of lying during his plea talks and the judge just a few weeks ago ruled that paul manafort did intentionally lie and that thereby voided this plea deal. that was the judge in washington, d.c. the judge in virginia today

paul manafort is 70 years old whatever h.ood portion of the rest of his life if not all of the rest of his life in prison. laura: gary o'donoghue, thank you. for more we are joined by a former federal prosecutor. paul manafort is the first big fish to be caught by the special counsel of his crimes are not d rela the russia probe. >>h's right, but this makes it real. paul manafort has been household name for at least a year now and we have seen his travails and trial and posttrial and cooperation an breakdown of corporation. , quantify howdify much time he is going to spend in jail as a result of the crime. the question is whatpo gary ted out. he is going to jail for bank fraud, tax fraud, not registered. but what does he know about the bigger picture of collusion? that is the reason why he was discovered. ultimately we d't really know what significance dit for full whthe special counsel continue to prosecute him rather than refer him to another component of the justice department? i'm not sure we will lea anything more about

paul manafort lost it. he's a criminal. he's a crook. mueller, the judge, the system, the jurors. i should mention people say what will people think if they have political proclivities. there was a juror on manafort's jury who came in wearing a red plr maga hat. some people said she's not going o the be fair. to her credit, she was fair. she said something that i think is for us to reflect on. she said, i didn't want it to be true but it was and we have to accept that. that's where the law and justice and the facts fit in with not just what you want. >> the one other thing that judge jackson said was when facts don't plaermatter, democr can't work. >>> the manafort judge destroying the collusion claim. that's next. he collusion claim that's next. steven could only imaginem 24hr to trenjoying a spicy taco.burn, now, his world explodes with flavor. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day all-night protection. can you imagine 24-hours without heartburn? why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an i

she's going to be considering the failed plea deal that paul manafort got hill self-into whso cooperating witness to get himself a more lenient sentence. you remember how this went down, right? manafort went on trial in virginia. he was convicted on eight felonies, the jury was hung on ten others. manafort had been due for a second federal trial in the neighboring jurisdiction of washington d.c. on the eve of the second federal trial when manafort instead jumped. tried this new course. he abandoned his not guilty plea and said he no longer wanted to go to trial. he started talking to prosecutors. prosecutors agreed to drop all charges against him in d.c. except for two felony conspiracy counts in exchange, they got not only his plead in guilty but got him to admit even to the -- admit that he was guilty even to the ten felony charges on which he had the hung jury in his first federal trial in virginia and most importantly, he pledged to cooperate with prosecutors in the special counsel's office. that was the deal manafort tried to make to save his own skin on the eve of what would have be

>> that is what appears to have happened and yeah, we have figured out that lawrence gay, paul manafort kind of installed this guy he trusted and to oversee $24 million that manafort suggested to gay that he hire tony fabrizio ad buying firm and that fabrizio and gay. one man's kick back scheme and they set up a secret commission split and essentially overcharged these donors and i heard from lawrence gay's lawyer and he says his client has done nothing wrong. he's a criminal defense attorney and so we will see. gay's voice is very absent from these court documents. you know, whereas they are often obvious references to manafort, interviews and obvious references tony fabrizio's role. he's the truth teller in this as manafort tells different stories. fabrizio lays it out but the third man is really absent. you know and obviously that's not an accident. >> let me ask you about the dynamic where fabrizio as far as we know has spoken with mueller's office at least a couple times. he's described in court filings i think we can now sort of see it the way we've given you this window. we can s

the president can't get paul manafort out of new york charges. and that is one important thing to consider about the new new york indictment against manafort today, but i think there are a couple of other things that are worth figuring out here about this indictment given the importance of this development today. again, not just for the fate of manafort himself, but for the whole proverbial kit and caboodle that is the russia investigation and the question of the president's ability to stop it. and i actually think with the right advice, we can figure some of the stuff out during this hour during this show tonight, so that's what we're going to do. stay with us. that's next. mes 24/7. we're on the move. roger. hey rick, all good? oh yeah, we're good. we're good. termites never stop trying to get in, we never stop working to keep them out. terminix. defenders of home. the latest inisn't just a store.ty it's a save more with a new kind of wireless network store. it's a look what your wifi can do now store. a get your questions answered by awesome ex

but the key thing here is what did the special counsel learned from paul manafort as a rehelt of the eal id to avoid the second trial. for 50down with him hours. we know from documents that there was talk of rolling motions by paul manafo we know that the plea deal broke down in the end because the special counsel saidfo that paul ma had been lying to him about issues around that. todaydents will happen to -- the sentence ve in today and we will get one next week and we won't wait to see if -- we will wait to see if the president will pardon paul manafort, because up till now he has had pretty warm words for hisormer campaign chairman. laura: just how long could paul manafort go to jail for? ay is a range of something from 19 to 24 years, but the judge is keenin to out that sentencing guidelines are just that, advisory. he does not have to stick to them or take account of them. for the case next week, he could t 10 years, the charges he played guilty to. it wouldepend on whether or not the sentences are served concurrently or consecutively. paul manafort is 7years old next month. what

attorney have gone after paul manafort if he had not become the chairman of the trump campaign? >> if they had seen evidence of a crime, they would have. i think this is the fact that if you're the lawyers for manafort that wins with the judges. it's not going to be his age or health. it's certainly not going to be remorse. the guy lied from day one, continued to lie and on the final day says well now i feel sorry. it wouldn't have been this aggressive if he hadn't been in the campaign. i think that might help him get a few years off. i still think he's getting seven, eight, 10, 12 years. he will not be out for a while. >> one other thing. i remember writing these stories and reading these stories. anyone who followed politics and sort of the broader political world in washington, the day paul manafort got hired, i was at "the washington post" at the time, cnn covered it this way. anyone in washington knew paul manafort was never the leading did we know the extent? even the mostgoogle search would have produced stories about paul manafort that should have given pause. >> he was m

>> that is what appears to have happened and yeah, we have figured out that lawrence gay, paul manafort kind of installed this guy he trusted and to oversee $24 million that manafort suggested to gay that he hire tony fabrizio ad buying firm and that fabrizio and gay. one man's kick back scheme and they set up a secret commission split and essentially overcharged these donors and i heard from lawrence gay's lawyer and he says his client has done nothing wrong. he's a criminal defense attorney and so we will see. gay's voice is very absent from these court documents. you know, whereas they are often obvious references to manafort, interviews and obvious references to tny fabrizio's ro. he's the truth teller in this as manafort tells different stories. fabrizio lays it out but the third man is really absent. it's -- you know, andover usely that -- obviously that's not an accident. >> let me ask you about the dynamic where fabrizio as far as we know has spoken with mueller's office at least a couple times. he's described in court filings i think we can now sort of see it the way we've give

why would something like that there happen under the good offices of paul manafort who works for the o russian forces against ukrain's forces, ukrain's interest. don't we get fingerprints. who changed that and there was manafort taking credit for all of this. i his clients, they know what he did. are we going to find out? >> we're going to find out. at this point in time it's important that we reflect on just what you're talking about. the fact nof mat rb is from day one if was about this extraordinary connection with russia and ukrain that they have been attempting to dominate and the fact of theom matter is it s changing the new world order. and president's policies from designed after world war ii. the new world order is under attack by its primary architect and we have to adjust that. remember mr. mueller and the southern district of new york have different responsibilities than the house intel committee and oversight.an mr. mueller's job was to decide who to bring to justice. ours is to educate and inform the american public. >> let's talk about obstruction of justice. you ran it

paul manafort wasn't some random associate.mp's campaign. and we now know that he was engaged in a number of crimes, tax fraud and other financial crimes. he also, as max pointed out earlier, represented some notoriously dirty regimes. authoritarians around the world. he also during the campaign provide provided internal polling to a man, this konstantin kilimnik, who's believed to be a russian intelligent ags agent. around the president you have a set of unsavory characters. that's the best description for them. a number of them are even convicted or admitted criminals. it does say something about the collection of people who helped elect donald trump president. >> right. we're supposed to feel sorry for paul manafort, right? because if he hadn't been crazy enough or dumb enough or whatever word you want to use to take this job he wouldn't have gotten caught. it's crazy. thank you both so very much. and now 23 republicans voting against an anti-hate resolution today. why? tremfya® is for adults with remoderate. to severe plaqu

the president can't get paul manafort out of new york charges. and that is one important thing to consider about the new new york indictment against manafort today, but i think there are a couple of other things that are worth figuring out here about this indictment given the importance of this development today. again, not just for the fate of manafort himself, but for the whole proverbial kit and caboodle that is the russia investigation and the question of the president's ability to stop it. and i actually think with the right advice, we can figure some of the stuff out during this hour during this show tonight, so that's what we're going to do. stay with us. that's next. us that's next. let's see, aleve is proven better on pain than tylenol extra strength. and last longer with fewer pills. so why am i still thinking about this? i'll take aleve. aleve. proven better on pain. jay inslee -- a governor into a clean-energy leader with a bold vision for our future. we are the first generation to feel the sting of climate change, and we are the last

paul manafort on whether or not paul manafort colluded with russia. that's not in this case. this is tax fraud, bank fraud and foreign bank accounts. so there's no reason for manafort or his lawyers to believe that the no collusion, no collusion argument is going to have any impact on how the judge interprets the sentencing guidelines in this case. right? and figures out how manafort's conduct and these crimes might map on to those sentencing guidelines. because of that, because they're making this argument, this no collusion argument that is totally ex teternal to this casi think it is worth recognizing, at least worth considering, that the real idea here from paul manafort's defense is that they are now aiming their arguments not necessarily at this judge. they are now aiming their arguments at the public, at the press, and ultimately at the white house. it appears that their idea here is that it would be more politically palatable for paul manafort to get a presidential pardon if paul manafort seems like a grownup altar boy who became just a poor ol

paul manafort's family also in the courtroom. paul manafort in a wheelchair wearing a suit.earlier, the prison fatigues he was wearing in his previous appearance. jennifer, let me ask you this. you had another sentencing last week, as you know, that many have criticized. can judge ellis legally factor that in to her decision today and say, listen, that judge was soft, i'm going to go hard, or does she have to separate the two? >> so judge jackson can do basically whatever she wants. a judge is allowed to take anything into consideration at sentencing unless it's constitutionally i mpermissible like race, gender, something like that. she can really consider the totality of the circumstances. i don't think she's going to overtly consider the other judge's sentence because she'll say, i have my own sentence to consider here. paul said while she's capped to a maximum of ten years, the advisory they are allowed to consider, at least, is above ten years. in a standard issue case here, she would give a ten-year sentence because that is still below the guidelines range. i do think s

the president can't get paul manafort out of new york charges. and that is one important thing to consider about the new new york indictment against manafort today, but i think there are a couple of other things that are worth figuring out here about this indictment given the importance of this development today. again, not just for the fate of manafort himself, but for the whole proverbial kit and caboodle that is the russia investigation and the question of the president's ability to stop it. and i actually think with the right advice, we can figure some of the stuff out during this hour during this show tonight, so that's what we're going to do. stay with us. that's next. feel the clarity of non-drowsy claritin and relief from symptoms caused by over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals are clearly no substitute for real ones. feel the clarity. and live claritin clear. guys do whatever it takes to deal with shave irritation. so, we re-imagined the razor with the new gillette skinguard. it has a unique

so that could be weighing against paul manafort.omment about the collusion, that tells me the judge is kind of going towards my 7 to 10 years. >> charles: robert, your thoughts? >> gene is right about that. i think judge ellis from public reports expressed very early on that he had a distaste for this case. that doesn't mean he won't rule appropriately to what the sentence should be. he understands the huge amount of public interest and the pressure brought to bear was designed intentionally to select this person for prosecution in order to induce his cooperation. so you know, from that standpoint, i think he is prepared -- the judge seems to be signalling that he's prepared to be somewhat lenient. the complicating factor is an equal measure of one that prosecutors take seriously but judges do as well. if somebody commits to travel down the road of cooperation and does what they shouldn't doing to pro tend to cooperate but not provide truthful information, that independent of the bank fraud charges -- >> charles: but the system -- >

so is the white house worried about this paul manafort sentencing at all? week was a huge victory for them? >> reporter: yeah, they're not worried insofar as they are not directly involved in the manafort sentencing. clearly, president trump is paying close againstattention. he has been for months now quite sympathetic to paul manafort, not shut the door to a pardon of paul manafort. i would expect the president will be following news today and will comment on it in due time and of course some of the questions reporters are going to be asking whether he would consider pardoning his campaign chairman. paul manafort was not some fringe figure in the trump orbit. he actually ran the campaign during a very important period in 2016. >> yeah, when the republican secured the republican nomination. >> reporter: correct. >> jason, i want to share what some democrats said their reaction to speaker pelosi's stance on impeachment. take a look. >> the only thing worse than butting the currenbut the country through the traum of an impeachment is the trauma of failed impe

he was indicted by a grand jury on march 9th and the allegation is that paul manafort falsified business records in order to secure millions of dollars in real estate loans in 2015 and 2016. these charges at the new york state level near the charges that manafort was convicted on in the eastern district of virginia, for which he received 47 months in prison. the reason this matters, and the timing, is that if there were ever a pardon by president trump for paul manafort this would have the effect of wiping away the federal charges. but the new york state charges would be unaffected. what this means is that even if there is a pardon, paul manafort's legal troubles continue. a short time ago the judge in this case, amy berman jackson, spoke at length to the court, giving her rationale. the foundational evidence, if you will, for our decision to make his sentence 81 months. that is the total here in d.c., in addition to the 47 months that he got in the eastern district of virginia. judge berman said that she found paul manafort accepted responsibility for his offenses, but she was not compl

there is absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from russia. >> the thing to watch today is whether the special counsel will also press the judge so that manafort will give up his remaining fortune of $11 million because he violated a plea agreement to fully cooperate with that investigation, sandra. >> sandra: what are you learning about who told the f.b.i. and the f.b.i. lawyers to stand down on the hillary clinton email investigation? what's the latest on that? >> well, at the heart of this breaking news this morning, sandra, is something called 18usc793 subsection f. what we showed to our reporting at fox news it's a gross negligence statute to be applied to hillary clinton. what we learned this morning is lisa page, when she testified under oath last fall, she shed new light on whether there was advice from the justice department under the obama administration not to pursue this gross negligence statute. we have a tweet from congressman john ratcliffe, a republican who led that line of questioning with lisa page. he s

and she has heard that paul manafort, when he was donald trump's campaign manager was having chunommunications with t ukrainian that the fbi says has ties to russian intelligence. judge jackson can take this into consideration when she sentences manafort. she's tapped at ten years but the big question will be no matter what sentence she gives manafort, does she have them served side by side or consecutively. manafort is going to turn 70 years old next month. if he gets the maximum sentence and she rules they should run one after the other, he faces 14 years in prison, a very long prison sentence for someone turning 70 years old. >> we learn the difference between consecutively and concurrently. >>> joining us is the former defense attorney for rick gates and cnn political analyst, david gregory. shan, you have had cases before judge jackson. what do you expect to see today? >> i was before her with mr. manafort and gates by my side back in the day. i will expect we'll hear a big number initially. which the manafort team is bracing itself for. i think that's then going to be mitigated by her ru

oops, paul manafort tripped. i think the idea here may be that that kind of guy is a more palatable target for a pardon from the president than a guy who was running the president's campaign while russia was interfering in the campaign to benefit trump and simultaneously this guy running the campaign was meeting frequently with a russian guy linked to russian military intention among other things delivering messages back and forth between trump's campaign chairman and a putin-linked russian oligarch who is tied to russian active measures campaigns in other countries to affect other elections not to mention suspected of gigantic russian money laundering plots. right? i mean that guy is maybe not as attractive a target for a presidential pardon, not at least in this environment with all of these dangling threads still out there in terms of the president's own potential implication in the russia scandal. so in this new filing tonight, in this sentencing memorandum from manafort's defense tonight to the judge in virg

but what i do have an idea about, because i was there, is the involvement of paul manafort in the campaign. as you correctly note, none of these charges have anything to do with what bob mueller was sent there to find, right? paul man i don't fort had been investigated by the fbi for years before the campaign even started, before this even got under way. and i think that they may have come to some conclusion -- they didn't have enough resources to prosecute him. for whatever reason, they didn't pursue it. lo and behold, they have unlimited resources and go after manafort. listen, the things that he did was criminal, wire fraud, bank fraud, tax evasion. those are criminal and should be punished but we shouldn't conflat that they had anything to do with the campaign. paul manafort went to cleveland. he organized the convention. he was prepared to fight a floor battle against amanamanda's old boss, ted cruz. we weren't worried about the russian. >> you weren't worried about the russians. >> we were worried about john kasich. >> i'm told that the judge in court, t.s. ellis, just said this has

to be sentencing paul manafort on whether or not paul manafort colluded with russia. this is tax fraud, bank fraud and foreign bank accounts. there is no reason for manafort or his lawyers to believe that the no collusion, no collusion argument is going to have any impact on how the judge interprets the sentencing guidelines and figures out how man manafort's conduct might bond to the sentencing guidelines. because of that, because they are making this argument, this no collusion argument that's external tho this case, i think it's worth recognizing and considering that the real idea from paul manafort's defense is that they are now aiming their arguments not necessarily at this judge, they are now aiming their arguments at the public, at the press and ultimately at the white house. it appears that their idea here is that it would be more politically p politically palatable to get a pardon than a grown up alter boy that became a poor old normally corrupt guy who got away with his financial crimes for years and only got caught this time this year because of his unfortun

it is not over for paul manafort. the 69-year-old former trump campaign manager was indicted by the manhattan district attorney, but 30 minutes after his new sentencing in washington, d.c. there manafort was sentenced by two federal judges to a combined 90 months or 7 1/2 years behind bars. he is set to be there just over 6 1/2 years. >> but there is new indictment for mortgage fraud and conspiracy brings the long-time lobbyist's trouble to a local level. a new level where a potential presidential pardon, which is something we've been talking about for a long time about paul manafort, would be of no use whatsoever. >> sort of pardon protection. joining us now, nbc news investigative reporter ken dilanian, former federal prosecutor glenn kirchner, former assistant u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york, mimi rocah, nbc news investigations reporter tom winter, and way chen, former compliance counsel expert at the department of justice. we have a full house. >> i will say one thing that we can get to in a min

i have very little sympathy for paul manafort at this point. unlike everyone in the drama, he's been, probably apart from the president, one of the people who seems to have this stone-cold lack of conscience. every time prosecutors given the opportunity -- >> that's your parallel, right, not the conduct. remorseless. >> yes, remorseless. >> making sure. and he's never stepped up. and he's been doing this for a very long time. so i have to believe the court is going to take that into consideration and the prosecutors are going to ask for as much as they can get on him, which will be 24, 25 years. >> michael steele, if you can jump in, there's so much that lifelong career republicans knew about just how dirty manafort's book of business was, before he ever walked through the doors of trump tower and took the reins as campaign chairman. but i think the new wrinkle or the new layer of information for those of us who already knew that is he functioned during the trump campaign, it would appear, as the consigliere for russians. the prosecutor said so

ask your dermatologist about cosentyx. >> harris: moments after the sentencing of paul manafort, his exited. kathleen manafort, just leaving that court, that federal court. this happening as we await, we are told that paul manafort's attorneys expected to speak on the sentence of 81 months by this judge. as that happens, we will bring you the news on that. melissa? >> melissa: fox news alert for you know, new fallout in the scandal that is rocking hollywood and college admissions world. the fbi says that actress lori loughlin has been taken into custody in connection with the nationwide bribery scheme. lori loughlin and fellow actress, felicity huffman, among dozens of parents charged. the sprawling investigation dubbed "operation varsity blues." federal prosecutors say wealthy parents would pay bribes to card will not coordinate bogus exam scores in for catholic achievements to help their children get into some of our nation's top universities. watch this. >> this case is about the widening corruption of elite college admissions, to the steady application of wealth, combined with fr

she can sentence paul manafort to up to an additional ten years consecutive to these four years. so he could still be looking at 14 years. and also with regard to the idea that the statement that manafort's lawyer said with there is no evidence of collusion with government officials from russia. it is a very specific thing to state. and it doesn't that there is not collusion with other individuals who are not government officials from russia. such as constantine kilimnik who was accused of being an intelligence officer from russia. so i think there are more redaction from the documents suggest robert mueller and his team continue to investigate russia and the cigar bar meeting are still out there and so i don't think we've reached the end of the road with regards to conspiracy with russia. >> could be oleg deripaska who paul manafort was in the hole to to the tune of $19 million when he joined the campaign and oleg's business was strangled due to russian sanctions. midwin, they looked at average prison term in the virginia eastern district so the average sentence for fraud, 3 year

paul manafort struck a plea deal with robert mueller. in doing so, he agreed to cooperate in the russia investigation. but that all fell apart when robert mueller was accused of lying to investigators so manafort is going to prison. the question now is will a potential conviction on the new charges in new york state mean even the president can't save him from life behind bars. laura ingle reporting live from new york. allison barber is live outside the courthouse here in d.c. where the manafort sentence came down today. first, john roberts. he's live there on the north lawn. hi, john. >> good afternoon, shep. just to remind you what the paul manafort's rule in the trump campaign was. he was the delegate wrangler. the chairman a few months before he was swapped out. the president has made no secret of the fact that he thinks that manafort has been unfairly treated not only in the charges but while he was in jail, held in solitary confinement. let out a couple times a day and hauled before the office of the special counsel investigators and

paul manafort could have been jailed have remorse for that.manafort could have beenjailed for up have remorse for that. paul manafort could have been jailed for up to 25 yea rs could have been jailed for up to 25 years but thejudge could have been jailed for up to 25 years but the judge thought that would be excessive. other than these are very serious crimes, he had lived a blame less live. are very serious crimes, he had lived a blame less livelj are very serious crimes, he had lived a blame less live. i think most importantly what you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one, there is absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved with any collusion with any government officialfrom involved with any collusion with any government official from russia. paul manafort will be back in court next week to face sentencing in another case related to illegal lobbying. it could bring an extra ten yea rs lobbying. it could bring an extra ten years injail. i spoke to professor sahar aziz, at columbia law school. she is chancello

no one should shed a tear for paul manafort in the sense he profited from his crimes and he's paying the price. >> counselor, further attempt at tear shedding, our friend jennifer jacobs from bloomberg said manafort fortune depleted appeared in court in a wheelchair. he has severe gout, high blood pressure, arthritis, severe anxiety, panic attacks and a constant feeling of severe claustrophobia, his lawyers say other than saying we have products for all of that in the first commercial break. do you think the judge went for that? do you think that was kind of an exculpatory thing? >> so we haven't seen the transcript yet so i don't know if he actually talked about manafort's health condition in his reasons for imposing the sentence. i'll be interested to see that when we have the transcript. from what's reported, that doesn't appear to be a focus of his reasons for departing downwards so severely. people who have serious health conditions go to prison all the time for significant periods of time and, in fact, the u.s. sentencing guidelines talk about how generally having a health condi