the american political consultant who did that is a man named paul manafort. paul manafort got paid millions and millions of dollars to install the pro-russian puppet, victor jankowicz, as ukraine's president. and tell yanukovych oversaw a massacre in the streets of kyiv and then had to flee to russia. after years and years and years of getting paid very handsomely to work for pro-russian interests in ukraine, paul manafort soon popped up just a few years later to work on his host first american campaign in decades. after what happened in 2014 in ukraine paul manafort was soon back in america all of a sudden for the first time in years. to become campaign chair for the donald trump for president campaign of 2016. an interesting lee he said he was happy to do that one for free. he didn't ask to be paid for that. president biden today going to ukraine and going to kyiv, on february 20th. it is a surprise and and the storm issuing thing for us to see. and for people in ukraine to see. i mean, at base level this is an active war zone, and a part of that country th

after what happened in 2014 in ukraine, paul manafort was soon back in america all of a sudden for the first time in years to become campaign chair for the donald trump for president campaign in 2016. interestingly, he said he was happy to do that one for free. he didn't ask to be paid for that one. president biden today going to ukraine, going to kyiv on february 20th, it's a surprise and an astonishing thing for us to see. for people in ukraine to see. i mean, at base level, this is an active war zone in a part of that country that gets hit by russian missiles all the time. seeing the american president there, walking the streets of kyiv while air raid sirens literally sounded in that moment about possible incoming fire from russia, it's just not something you ever expected to see. we've never seen an american president in an active war zone where there wasn't an active military presence there. not before today. president zelenskyy of ukraine put out this statement, this terse to the point statement about president biden's visit today. he said historic, timely, brave. i think this im

if his name sounds familiar it was because it was revealed in 2017 that donald trump's paul manafortoleg millions. that will be the same paul manafort indicted by robert mueller's team on a slew of charges, money laundering, fraud, and -- as of aid for a new kane government. manafort offered what oleg's private briefings about the private campaign about a way to get hole with -- the russian oligarch is mentioned in the report 70. times the senate committee had strong suspicions but ultimately never it will become permanent manafort shared internal trump campaign polling data with deripaska via his former business partner konstantin kilimnik who was a russian intelligence agent. to underscore just how close is deripaska to the kremlin, the 2016 senate intelligence report on russian election interference says about him, quote, the russian government coordinates with and directs deripaska on many of his influence operations. it is against that backdrop that the fbi and bounced a stunning and completely shocking arrest late last month of one of its own, of one of the former most senior o

as yale historian timothy snider puts it, in 2016 trump's campaign manager, paul manafort, was a formerligarch deripaska, and owed money to that same russian oligarch. and that special fbi agent charles mcgonigal, he then went to work according to the indictment for that very same russian oligarch. this is obviously very bad for trump personally, but it's also very bad for fbi new york, for the fbi generally and for the united states of america. at best the story could just be about plain old greed. at worst it could be potentially catastrophic for highly sensitive u.s. government secrets. but there is still so very much we do not know. a new insider report published today sums up the case this way. it's already a bad look for those charged with protecting u.s. secrets. there's a chance it could get much worse. mcgonigal was not charged with espionage, an fbi source told an insider the investigation is ongoing. joining us now is a former senior member of special counsel mueller's team the great andrew wiseman. every time you're on the show is the perfect time for you to be on the show,

for attorney client privilege the client, paul manafort or donald trump, is seeking legal advice. telling somebody to put something in an affidavit or -- >> folks from my lie is not actually council. >> so we argued it's not attorney-client privilege. it was meant to be public and given and its crime fraud. >> in from the same judge will see this corcoran. >> it exactly. this is on all fours, as they say. >> all right. andrew weissmann, that was quite a tour the legal landscape. ppreciate it. still ahead, the conflict of the heart of the modern republican party. with their donors an ideological benefactor' really want. [ engines revving ] fire 'em up! [ cheering ] you ready? let's do it. ready. i know you're ready. let's race. boom. introducing the 10g network only from xfinity. the eagle has landed. that's one small the step for man...ow. hey, what's up? uh... houston... we have a situation. how did you get here? you're characters in our video game! video game? yeah, it's what we do with xfinity 10g. it's like, you know, the best network imaginable. what the heck is that? those a

i have one of the jurors in the paul manafort case on this program after she found paul manafort guilty. she was a trump voter who told us that she took her oath to do her duty and did her duty. that was one of the more extraordinary jury interviews i've ever seen. juror interviews are not common. most members of juries and most members of trials never speak to the press. i've never seen an interview or a member of a grand jury before that grand jury's work has been made public, fact even after a grand jury's public has been made public i don't ever recall seeing a grand jury member in a television interview. today, 30 year old emily chorus, before person of the fulton county grand jury that has been investigating possible election crimes, possibly committed by donald trump and his associates, began a, short day with a short interview for reporters and the associated press. it was impossible for reporters to track down emily course because it's a foreperson of the drudgery, her name is included in subpoenas of the gradually. she told the associated press that she volunteered to be the f

this exact issue in a special counsel, a mueller case, where we litigated this, where we said paul manaforthad made false statements to the department that he made them through his lawyer. his lawyer had submitted a letter and then another letter and those letters contained what we thought were falsehoods. we were able to obtain that lawyers testimony to say she got the information from her client. so there is a written, published opinion that jack smith can just follow exactly what the judge has done previously, and put eric corcoran into the grand jury. i am confident that that is going to be the result, which is that he will have to testify about who gave him the information that was false in that statement. and if it is shown that it is donald trump, the same thing could happen to donald trump, it could happen to paul manafort, which is that you get charged with obstruction of justice and making false statements. it is a crime to lie in that context. >> we immediately agreed on this program last year when that written statement to the fbi emerged publicly. that both of these lawyers wer

for attorney client privilege the client, paul manafort or donald trump, is seeking legal advice. telling somebody to put something in an affidavit or -- >> folks from my lie is not actually council. >> so we argued it's not attorney-client privilege. it was meant to be public and given and its crime fraud. >> in from the same judge will see this corcoran. >> it exactly. this is on all fours, as they say. >> all right. andrew weissmann, that was quite a tour the legal landscape. appreciate it. still ahead, the conflict of the heart of the modern republican party. or their voters really like it with their donors and ideological benefactor's really want. that's next. that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ start your day with nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. ♪ realtor.com (in a whisper) can we even afford this house? maybe jacob can finally get a job. the house whisperer! this house says use realtor.com to see homes in your budget. you're staying in school, jacob! realtor.com. to each their home. age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein

paul manafort was indicted just a few weeks after chief judge howell in d.c.raud exception. shouldn't be a long day once the judge rules on this one. do you agree with that? >> i do and it's a big deal. you want to protect conversations that happen between attorneys and their clients except when they're using those conversations to possibly further a crime. as paula had said, you don't need to convict the person of a crime you merely need to have a credible allegation that they did. so this is quite significant. what a lot of analysts who are looking at this saying, yes, the manafort case is a good guide here given that. charges came soon after. >> help me with credible allegation. is it probable cause, some documentary evidence or just prosecutors stipulating we believe this? >> stipulating to the point that the judge can be convinced of it to some extent. you don't need to bring it before a jury and convict the individual here. >> so you make a key point, paula. three lawyers have been called before this grand jury. these are the people who are supposed to b

by paul manafort, picked him to run. he never had much of the following. he was evangelical, who had a radio show. he talked a lot about the evils of adultery. he teamed up to become vice president with a guy who seems to [inaudible] every ten years and talks about having sex with a daughter in public. really, pence was this sort of said character who should not forget, he was aware, as vice president of the united states, of a plot to and the peaceful transfer of power. what did he do? he called dan quayle. can i get away with this? he did call the fbi. he did call a press conference. he didn't warn anybody. it's just extraordinary. they got betrayed his own office. i don't think you should get credit because he didn't go all the way and help overthrow the government. it's like thing, we're not pass the 16 bags to get here, i didn't rob anything i should get credit. so, mike pence, i don't think the guy has republican politics. it's his own fault. >> churches where you go every ten years to marry a model. >> stuart, you might change my son's outlook on go

things we can talk about about deripaska's role and the association of constantine kilimnik and paul manafortst our institutions. the truth is people don't trust the fbi right now but they're in danger from the right. and the irony here is that the fbi, there's no chance they'll answer any of these questions. but what is in the public arena in the mueller report is an association. >> that's right. here's the other side of it. the reason we're talking about oleg deripaska here, the reason we're talking about russia is because in 2018 there were a number of individuals who were sanked -- >> same here and he started taking his money. >> that's right. but the point is there are a number of individuals including oleg deripaska who had significant financial incentives to hire an individual to remove an individual from the sanctions list. i think the allegation is he was paid 175 -- >> is it a kwips dns deripaska also has a relationship with kunsen teen kilimnik and paul manafort? >> i would say the coincidence is only in the fact part of the reason he was sanctioned concerns all the ways this indiv

trump's finances are orders of magnitude more complex than anything paul manafort ever did.i've seen reported is he had at most eight, ten personnel. certainly without any of the same sort of financial expertise that mueller did. so when it comes to a question about where this investigation led that bill barr decided to leave with john durham, my question is what happened? what's the resolution? because again, i'm willing to bet you the resolution was we couldn't figure this out because it was too hard. and time and time again like everybody that bumps their head up against the trump financial empire, it is so big, so opaque, so apparently corrupt that is hard as an investigator to get your head around the facts and prove something out. >> can i just push back gently and respectfully without any of the expertise you have? doesn't trump tell us what he does all the time? i don't pay my taxes because i'm smart. i lie because i can. and i have other people do it so i don't get in trouble. doesn't he say out loud everything that six years of investigating him have proven out? >>

subject is some of the low, low level people in the campaign, one of whom was what's his name is it paul manafort and his friend were very involved in it and they were involved at a level i can't understand, but they had all to do with foreign money and and all of that. they were extremely involved. it and when it all over reagan of both of those men any position they wanted in his administration this was published in an article in the l.a. monthly and they turned him down because said, oh, they had been making a lot more money doing other things. okay as you refer to the iran-contra scandal, the truth of the matter is, that's when it really began and that's when it really began. because when the bush was trying to get well when reagan was president and the scandal came out that he was whatever it was, weapons you know, for hostages which was illegal. and then and they went back to the early part of reagan's presidency and the embryo of all of that was end. it was in october it was in the october surprise. it really exploded and when bush h.w. bush was up reelection. and what he served from. 1989

the same issue as the special counsel investigation, with which gates, who is the number two to paul manafort, where he started to cooperate, and then backed off. there is so many pressures in these kinds of cases from your conspirators. there are so many pressures in any wrongdoing, and a huge public case. just imagine if you had to, as an upstanding citizen, suddenly admit that you had done something wrong and it was not just in a court but it was going to be on every front page of the united states use papers -- and so it's very hard to get cooperators, and get people to admit that because it is so public. there's a lot of pressure on people to do with they're going to do, and so if you are in the government, the way the you do that is that you have to build the case. you have to kind of make it clear that the only choice is going to jail, or just cooperating. >> do you know who built that case must effectively? his former aide, cassidy hutchinson. >> what is great is that she has some evidence but not a lot of directive, as a respect to donald trump. she has a lot of direct evidence with

, people like michael flynn who lied to the fbi -- people who have worked to him, roger stone, paul manafortthere is this frustration that it is always the people around him that take the fall for him. and i think that is -- >> here is what i think. i agree with all of that. and many of us don't think donald trump has escaped accountability throughout this. but i think what is happening in the end. i don't know if donald trump will ever end up in an orange jumpsuit. i hope he does. because i think he's guilty of so many different things. but the worst thing is that -- it's happening to donald trump. he is branded a loser. and people are starting to abandon him in what he thinks is his party. and so, does he belong in jail? i hope a court can finally determine that in the course of this. but in my mind, trump is already getting branded the worst thing possible for donald trump, which is a loser. >> matthew and cynthia, thank you so much. i really appreciate. it coming up, congresswoman jasmine crockett is here. i will ask her about republicans -- and the new primary candidate approved by the

, would remember him from an incident that was at the center of robert mueller's report, where paul manafortave him internal campaign polling data, something that manafort admitted to me when i interviewed him, though he denied it to special counsel robert mueller. what the mueller report asserts is that exchange was done in part to settle a debt or a dispute over money that manafort had with deripaska. manafort had been paid millions of dollars for work. there's a lot of threads here, it's a lot to keep track of. >> i think it's interesting toll bring that up. i have one more question for you, matt, and i want to bring in tracy in on this. so, the mueller investigation is going on in '17 and '18, mcgonigal leaves in '18, does your reporting include when the insistence on a second phone to be able to rely exclusively, it sounds like, on whatsapp, on that phone, and when the envelopes of money were handed to him? >> so, these are guerrero's reck recollection, she didn't keep a diary. she remembers it coincided with a baseball game, a world series game. as far as the whatsapp, the whatsapp pho