rick gates was the deputy campaign manager for trump's 2016 election he's a former assistant to paul mann afford a top republican strategist and lobbyist and both came under investigation as part of the motor investigation into russian interference in the last elections he cooperated with the investigation and last year he was sentenced to 3 years probation for financial crimes and lying to the f.b.i. this week he published a book about his work with the 1st campaign his role in the f.b.i. investigation and more it's called wicked game an insider story on how donald trump one molar failed and america lost rick it's great to be with you today thanks so much for joining us let me just ask you you were there at the beginning when paul man afore was hired hired for free to come in to advise the trump campaign on how to approach the 2016 election and i dislike to get your insights on that and then apply it to today does it look like donald trump is going to win to you. absolutely steve 1st thanks for having me on the show great to be here look 2016 was a very interesting time in presidential p

perjury charge that they found you guilty of i as i understand it you were not in a meeting with paul mann a fort and former congressman vin weber who was a consultant that had to do with ukraine and you corrected a statement where you said one of them had said you know that the meeting and gone well and then you thought well maybe both of them said that and said no one had that triggered a perjury charge against you i never saw that i had you know i've i when i 1st read about this i said ah because they caught rick gates and experience lie is how to but i just want to understand the pressure you were under i think it's important for our viewers to understand to be fair in this story you know it one of my recounting this correctly but it is fascinating if true. yes absolutely this is a very hard part of the process for me because if this was kind of a deal breaker in terms of agreeing to any cooperation and it honestly took me the better part of almost 2 years to unpack you know what had happened particularly since we went to the special counsel's office and volunteered you know the inform