and it became clear that governor reagan would come try again, one of the very first hires was paul manniforte. we worked together in the 1980 campaign, reagan 1984 campaign in 1981.came partners and ie: roger stone manfiforte. 15 minutes one more time. usaid you recommended to donald trump that you hire paul? >> i was one of those who recommended him. paul and donald had a relationship. met during the 15 minutes one more time that lack, manniforte and stone represented trump organization. i represented him on a bunch of building heights, f.a.a., and so on, but they knew other casually but they also had mutual friends beyond me, so i was among those. charlie: what has he brought to the campaign? >> he's an adult. at he other casually but has de all phases. charlie: cory was not an adult? man.no he was an advance bob halderman without the charge. charm?e: bob had >> that's the point. charlie: i know. apples talking about and oranges. paul manniforte. are of you be you guys the establishment? >> not me. charlie: well -- i supported mitt romney against three years ago. charlie: how well do you th