>> i understand when they did the video "say, say, say" my sister latoya was here, paul mccartney andad a ranch in hidden valley and michael would come over. he love what i had out there. i had swans and he said jermaine, i'm going to buy a beautiful ranch one day because he loved the ranch life. i think that's what inspired him to do this. >> larry: did he spend a lot of time here in the hey day? >> a lot of time. >> larry: i don't think the general public would have concept of what neverland is. rides, games and toys. there was all that. this is so much more. >> with our family, larry, we travel so much. i can see bits and pieces in different parts of the world here. that's what's great about -- >> larry: you see europe here. >> oh, yeah. you see all types of things. that's what michael enjoys. he brought bits and pieces of those different places that he enjoyed into his haven. >> larry: therefore, what is it like for you to stand here now at this place that he loved so much? and know he's gone. >> larry, it's so hard but at the same time, i feel him. >> larry: you do? >> yes. i fee