when paul musgrave did the ones he did, he was also off camera. that is what gives the wonderful look -- it makes the interview useful in different formats. >> it came up in the past that you being a canadian liberal, gay, and richard nixon might not be all that excited about you running the library. i bring this up now because of the dwight chapin interview. did dwight know you were gay? >> i never denied it, but i would not bring it up. i do not know if he knew i was gay. i was shocked and delighted when i recorded this particular anecdote, but i do not think he knew i was gay. the interview is extremely important for the development of this oral history project, and we will get to that in a moment. >> this is almost two minutes -- for those who do not know, jack anderson was a columnist at one time. >> anybody who saw the movie "j. edgar," this story and the role that j. edgar hoover plays in the story is hilarious. >> head of the fbi at the time. >> who is going to take a personal interest in whether there is a homosexual ring, a gay ring, at